Cutting prey's deck.

Izaak wrote:

You'd call a judge if someone counted your crypt cards?

This does become an issue sometimes in certain decks (Turbo Baron, Tupdog). I do not believe that other players have the right to know how many cards are in or are left in your library or crypt, so yes I would call a judge. And if this is allowable (which I don't think it would be), I'd ask to count the cards of everyone's crypt and everyone's library.

echiang wrote:

Izaak wrote:

You'd call a judge if someone counted your crypt cards?

This does become an issue sometimes in certain decks (Turbo Baron, Tupdog). I do not believe that other players have the right to know how many cards are in or are left in your library or crypt, so yes I would call a judge. And if this is allowable (which I don't think it would be), I'd ask to count the cards of everyone's crypt and everyone's library.

From the tournament rules Appendix B :

Public Information: Refers to information that is available to all players in the game, such as statistics or card text that participants are required to share with tournament officials and opponents according to the rules of the game. For example a player's pool the number of cards in a player's library is public information.

Tupdog). I do not believe that other players have the right to know how many cards are in or are left in your library or crypt, so yes I would call a judge.

Then the judge will tell you that this is, in fact, public information and that everyone is perfectly fine to count the number of cards (remaining) in your library, ashheap, uncontrolled region or crypt.

See Henrik's reference above. I wish you the best of luck counting everyone's crypts and libraries from now on.

What I fail to see is that on one hand we have people that go like "ye well ya know the we don't need sleeves on different cardbacks because nobody tries to cheat in VTES anyway so why bother having a rule for it" and then the same people are being anal about their crypts being counted or cut in a particular way.

If I want to cut your crypt at the 10th card, I'm allowed to do so and thus I can count the cards. If I want to cut your unsleeved crypt at the first non-Jyhad back I encounter it's just as arbitrary as cutting it at the 10th card, because if it isn't, then you're trying to cheat with the card backs.

Izaak wrote:

What I fail to see is that on one hand we have people that go like "ye well ya know the we don't need sleeves on different cardbacks because nobody tries to cheat in VTES anyway

Well, that's certainly not referring to me (in that I have no strong opinion on the "need" to require card sleeves).

If I want to cut your crypt at the 10th card, I'm allowed to do so and thus I can count the cards. If I want to cut your unsleeved crypt at the first non-Jyhad back I encounter it's just as arbitrary as cutting it at the 10th card, because if it isn't, then you're trying to cheat with the card backs.

Well, good luck counting (and shuffling) my 1000+ card Betrayer crypt!

(That was a lighthearted joke, BTW)

henrik wrote:

KevinM wrote:

How about you just cut the deck like 99.999999999999999% of the other players, instead of you getting ejected from a tournament?

There's no need for hostility like this when all I've done is ask a question.

There's no hostility in anything that I said. I'm sorry that you're so defensive.

I'm trying to keep you from being ejected from a tournament, by asking you if that's what you want, since what you are proposing doing is multiply-unsportsmanlike.

henrik wrote:

And, as stated earlier, if your deck has sufficiently mixed card types of each different back there shouldn't really be any problem. Or am I missing something?

What you're missing is that you are labeling your predator not wanting you to count the cards in your predator's library as mistrust, whereas it is actually *you* who created the mistrust by your highly unusual -- if not outright suspicious -- behavior in the first place.

EDIT: You say in a later post,

"Yes, if I think someone has constructed an illegal deck I will call a judge. That's not the situation being discussed here though, but rather one where I assume my prey has a legal deck."

Even though I think that none of what you're describing is really necessary within our game, I'd like to answer your post in an honest manner.

I think that if you actually do wish to perform the actions that you are describing in this thread, in order to gain some sort of "minor advantage", then you should ask a judge to perform them to avoid as much of the bad feelings that you possibly can.

There will still be mistrust and possibly bad feelings from many players, since it's suspicious and highly unusual behavior that you're performing, and I don't see how incurring those bad feelings could possibly offset the supposed "minor advantage" that you're gaining, but to each his own, as long as he understands what he's incurring.