Bahari Vampires
28 Feb 2012 07:55 #24263
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Bahari Vampires
Many typeless retainers had a type added (Winthrop, ..).
Adding a keyword to a card might change existing rulings, or make some balanced stuff unbalanced (so what about these !Salubris with a melee Talbot's Chainsaw ?)
Adding a keyword to a card might change existing rulings, or make some balanced stuff unbalanced (so what about these !Salubris with a melee Talbot's Chainsaw ?)
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28 Feb 2012 08:42 #24267
by Juggernaut1981




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Because they can't get to obliterate things with Aggravated damage using !Salubri stuff already? My own !Salubri deck can often pop out 7agg with Kerries...





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28 Feb 2012 08:50 #24270
by Pascal Bertrand
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Sure. But then you need the Kerrie *and* the rush card to be efficient.
And you have to handle the damage.
I'm not saying Chainsaws will never be melee weapons. I'm saying making such a change would require some testing first.
And you have to handle the damage.
I'm not saying Chainsaws will never be melee weapons. I'm saying making such a change would require some testing first.
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28 Feb 2012 09:22 #24271
by jozxyqk
This is a card game. Card text > theme.
You could cut someone with a razor blade, but Aaron's Feeding Razor has no text to allow it to be used as a weapon, so it isn't one.
They could have put the keyword "Melee weapon" on the Ankara Citadel and it would be a Melee weapon because of card text, regardless of whether it narratively makes sense.
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How does Talbot's CS work if it is not a melee weapon?
Shoot bolt's of undead energy?
This is a card game. Card text > theme.
You could cut someone with a razor blade, but Aaron's Feeding Razor has no text to allow it to be used as a weapon, so it isn't one.
They could have put the keyword "Melee weapon" on the Ankara Citadel and it would be a Melee weapon because of card text, regardless of whether it narratively makes sense.
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28 Feb 2012 09:24 #24272
by jamesatzephyr
One "argument" (more a case of trying to retrospectively explain it, rather than arguing for it) in the past was that the things printed as melee weapons would, in general, rely substantially on the wielder's skill and muscle strength in order to accurately apply a heavy hit. Chainsaws move some of this to the ability to pull the power cord.
Of course, then you get Gas-Powered Chainsaw printed...
On the contrary. Talbot's Chainsaw was printed in the set that melee weapon was added - that is, both Talbot's Chainsaw and melee weapon were in the base, Jyhad set. So it would appear to have been a design choice. (Possibly a mistaken one.)
The WotC design team apparently never felt compelled to issue a change. LSJ's general position was not to issue errata for the sole purpose of upgrading cards (and especially wallpaper) - but if there was some other reason to make change, it was okay to pick the 'better' outcome.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
How does Talbot's CS work if it is not a melee weapon?
Shoot bolt's of undead energy?
One "argument" (more a case of trying to retrospectively explain it, rather than arguing for it) in the past was that the things printed as melee weapons would, in general, rely substantially on the wielder's skill and muscle strength in order to accurately apply a heavy hit. Chainsaws move some of this to the ability to pull the power cord.
Of course, then you get Gas-Powered Chainsaw printed...
Being released in a set before certain keywords were invented is no problem;
On the contrary. Talbot's Chainsaw was printed in the set that melee weapon was added - that is, both Talbot's Chainsaw and melee weapon were in the base, Jyhad set. So it would appear to have been a design choice. (Possibly a mistaken one.)
The WotC design team apparently never felt compelled to issue a change. LSJ's general position was not to issue errata for the sole purpose of upgrading cards (and especially wallpaper) - but if there was some other reason to make change, it was okay to pick the 'better' outcome.
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28 Feb 2012 10:08 - 28 Feb 2012 10:09 #24278
by Juggernaut1981




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Well as I've mentioned in the past, it makes perfect sense for there two be two categories of weapons, based on their 'range of effectiveness'.
Can only cause damage/strike effectively at close range - Melee Weapon
Can cause damage/strike effectively at long range or close range - Ranged Weapon (i.e. Gun)
Can only cause damage/strike effectively at close range - Melee Weapon
Can cause damage/strike effectively at long range or close range - Ranged Weapon (i.e. Gun)





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