file Justicar Retribution

19 May 2012 13:47 #30753 by Ankha
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And on a side note, would Hazimel burn himself if we used the superior version of Fata Morgana (not sure he would be allowed to, but contrary to bonding it doesn't say "only usable during a bleed action) to get past intercept to play a JR?

You cannot add bleed to a non-bleed action. He can't play Fat Morgana at sup while calling a Justicar Retribution.

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20 May 2012 06:19 - 20 May 2012 06:21 #30772 by AaronC
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You cannot add bleed to a non-bleed action.


That rule is not in the rulebook nor the "All Rulings" page of this webpage.

What do you base this statement on?
Last edit: 20 May 2012 06:21 by AaronC. Reason: fixed quote coding

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20 May 2012 06:37 #30773 by Ankha
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You cannot add bleed to a non-bleed action.


That rule is not in the rulebook nor the "All Rulings" page of this webpage.

What do you base this statement on?


groups.google.com/group/alt.games.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/d69ce32eebf5fa8a/2c5d22288784feae?lnk=gst&q=bonding+non+bleed#2c5d22288784feae

3.6. Can Bonding be played on a non-bleed action?
No. You may not play superior Bonding on a non-bleed action just to
get the stealth. In general, you may only play action modifiers which
are appropriate to the action.


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20 May 2012 19:22 - 20 May 2012 19:23 #30805 by AaronC
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3.6. Can Bonding be played on a non-bleed action?
No. You may not play superior Bonding on a non-bleed action just to
get the stealth. In general, you may only play action modifiers which
are appropriate to the action.


This doesn't actually say that you can't play bleed modifiying action modifiers during a non-bleed action. It is a question about the the card Bonding, and it doesn't explain how you determine which action modifiers are appropriate to which actions. It certainly implies that bleed modifiers can't be played during a non-bleed action, but it does not actually say it.

This FAQ answer would not cover reaction modifiers or card text effects, such as that of Anu Diptinatpa.

Additionally, according to that link, that FAQ is not authored by any past or present rules team member.

Could you please do some more digging got support your position?
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20 May 2012 19:24 - 20 May 2012 19:27 #30807 by Adonai
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The FAQ has been reviewed numerous times by LSJ.
Nothing new was ever added without his knowledge.
That particular question has been in the FAQ since its inception, in 1998.
Last edit: 20 May 2012 19:27 by Adonai.

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20 May 2012 19:33 #30811 by jamesatzephyr

Could you please do some more digging got support your position?



[LSJ 19970917]

The ruling that you can't play Bonding on a non-bleed action didn't "fix"
Bonding - Bonding wasn't broken. It corrected some players' attempts to
use the card in a manner that they felt was consistent with card text but
which violated a general rule (you can't play bleed modifiers on a
non-bleed action).

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