Entombment vs. Undead Persistence

Quick questions which I seem to fail to find a proper rulings for:

If Vamp A is already under the effect of Undead Persistence (will not go to torpor until combat ends), what happens if Vamp B plays Entombment at superior against Vamp A (send the opposing vampire to torpor)?

Slight corollary to this:

If Vamp A is under the effect of Undead Persistence and ends up about to be burned due to, say, aggravated damage... what happens if he plays Ashes to Ashes at outferior level (Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into torpor instead)?

I suspect that the Undead Persistence effect will, err, persist against both Entombment and Ashes to Ashes, but just wanted a solid confirmation on these.

Thanks!

I think neither are legal to play. The vampire can not go to torpor, so opposing minions can not strike Entombment, likewise he can not play Ashes to Ashes to prevent burning. It makes since to me, so I must be wrong.

Relevant cardtext, I colorized the specific sections related to my inquiry:

Undead Persistence
[for] Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor. This vampire gets an optional press and will not go to torpor until combat ends (although he or she is still considered wounded and can be burned as normal). If three rounds of combat pass with no cards played, combat ends. This vampire is sent into torpor after combat.
[FOR] Prevent 1 or 2 damage.

Entombment
[obt] Strike: burn the opposing ally.
[OBT] Strike: send the opposing vampire into torpor.

Ashes to Ashes
[for] Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into torpor instead.
[thn] Prevent all damage. This vampire untaps and goes to torpor (ending combat).
[THN] As [thn] above, and this vampire gains 2 blood from the blood bank.

Toad wrote:

Quick questions which I seem to fail to find a proper rulings for:

If Vamp A is already under the effect of Undead Persistence (will not go to torpor until combat ends), what happens if Vamp B plays Entombment at superior against Vamp A (send the opposing vampire to torpor)?

Vamp A remains in combat, due to the protection of Undead Persistence.

[LSJ 20100218]

LSJ wrote:

> Another scenario, I might have asked this one before though not in
> these specific terms:
> Vampire A strikes Coma on Vampire B (no dodge etc)
> Vampire B plays undead persistance and continues combat with a press

... Vampire B is wounded at this point.

> Vampire A strikes Coma again on Vampire B (no dodge etc)

Wounding B again (which B ignores because of Undead Persistence).

Toad wrote:

If Vamp A is under the effect of Undead Persistence and ends up about to be burned due to, say, aggravated damage... what happens if he plays Ashes to Ashes at outferior level (Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into torpor instead)?

At thanatosis, Vamp A does not go to torpor, but the rest of Ashes to Ashes functions as normal (such as untapping and blood gain).

[LSJ 20020211]

LSJ wrote:

> 1-if a vamp plays undead persistence when about to go to torpor, and
> then in a later round plays ashes to ashes what happens?
>
> Does ATA end combat? Or does the ATA effect only kick in when the

> vamp finally goes to torpor after the 3+rounds of undead persistence?

ATA doesn't end combat per se. It sends the vampire to torpor. Undead
Persistence prevents that effect. The rest of A2A's effect occurs normally.

At Fortitude, the "go to torpor" effect would just be ignored, making it basically a free card to cycle.

So Undead Persistence really protects the vampire from going to torpor until the combat ends then, check...

jamesatzephyr wrote:

At Fortitude, the "go to torpor" effect would just be ignored, making it basically a free card to cycle.

... a free card to cycle which prevents the vampire from burning and continues the Undead Persistence combat, though, right? assuming there's presses to continue the combat further?