file bestow vigor...ally life/blood cost?

25 Jul 2012 14:44 #33824 by talonz
Can an ally with bestow vigor play a for card that has a blood cost? Search of the old newsgroup turned up nothing on this.

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25 Jul 2012 15:11 - 25 Jul 2012 15:11 #33825 by Pascal Bertrand

Can an ally with bestow vigor play a for card that has a blood cost? Search of the old newsgroup turned up nothing on this.

Yes, and the answer is in the Rulebook:

Some allies have the ability to play certain cards "as a vampire." In these cases, the ally is treated as a vampire for all effects generated by the play of the card, including duration effects (like "for the remainder of combat"). The ally's life represents his blood (to pay costs, for example). Any blood he gains or loses as a vampire equates to a gain or loss of life for the ally. For purposes of that card, the ally has a capacity of 1 by default (for use if the card requires an older vampire or a vampire of a given capacity). If the ally gains life in excess of his capacity, it doesn't drain off, and if the effect inflicts aggravated damage on the ally, he burns life as normal. However, if the effect would send the ally to torpor, then he is burned instead. The ally is treated as a vampire only for the effect generated from playing the card. In particular, the ally is not treated as a vampire for effects the card has from being in play (like "the vampire with this card" effects).

Name: Bestow Vigor
[LotN:R]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Fortitude
+1 stealth action.
[for] Play on a vampire you control and untap this acting vampire. The minion with this card may play combat cards that require Fortitude [for] as a vampire with basic Fortitude. Burn this card at the end of your next turn.
[FOR] As above, but play on an ally you control.

Last edit: 25 Jul 2012 15:11 by Pascal Bertrand.

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25 Jul 2012 18:10 - 25 Jul 2012 18:11 #33834 by Miasmat
What happens when my ally with Bestow Vigor plays Day Operation?

Day Operation
:for: Only usable as the action is announced. Vampires cannot block this action. The acting vampire goes to torpor after resolving the action.


Nothing, since he's not an "acting vampire"?
Last edit: 25 Jul 2012 18:11 by Miasmat.

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25 Jul 2012 18:47 #33836 by Ankha

What happens when my ally with Bestow Vigor plays Day Operation?

Day Operation
:for: Only usable as the action is announced. Vampires cannot block this action. The acting vampire goes to torpor after resolving the action.


Nothing, since he's not an "acting vampire"?

Day Operation isn't a combat card. You can't play it with Bestow Vigor.

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25 Jul 2012 20:29 #33841 by talonz
Thanks pascal, clearly I was looking in the wrong place in the rulebook.

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25 Jul 2012 20:29 #33842 by jamesatzephyr

What happens when my ally with Bestow Vigor plays Day Operation?

Day Operation
:for: Only usable as the action is announced. Vampires cannot block this action. The acting vampire goes to torpor after resolving the action.


Nothing, since he's not an "acting vampire"?

Day Operation isn't a combat card. You can't play it with Bestow Vigor.


However, a Bima who plays a Day Operation will be sent to torpor. Allies who are sent to torpor burn instead.

(If the Bima played Daring the Dawn, it'd take agg damage - which, as an ally, it wouldn't handle any differently from normal damage. Though that would likely mean it burned due to lack of life.)

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