file darius styx' special while prey plays with open hand.

25 Jul 2012 19:44 - 25 Jul 2012 19:46 #33837 by porphyrion
hi,

suppose your prey plays with an open hand due to a revelations @sup in play, and you use darius styx's special against him, can you just see AND pick the card knowing exactly which card (retainer/equipment) you're gonna be picking (thereby stretching the definition of 'random' somewhat)?

maybe it's obvious. i couldn't find the ruling on this.
-thanks for any help!


Darius Styx. :ani: :tha: :CHI: :FOR: :PRO: :cap9: :ravn:
Independent: Darius may look at one random card from another Methuselah's hand as a (D) action. If it is an equipment or retainer card, place it on Darius at no cost (using the normal version, if it requires a Discipline).

Revelations.:action:
+1 stealth action.
:aus: (D) Look at your prey's hand. He or she discards a card of your choice.
:AUS: Put this card in play. Your prey plays with an open hand. Any minion may burn this card as a (D) action.
Last edit: 25 Jul 2012 19:46 by porphyrion.

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25 Jul 2012 19:48 #33838 by Ohlmann
Well, you are making the false assumption that random mean "you choose a card in the hand of your opponent". It mean "a randomly selected card". If you don't see the card of your opponent, picking one face down seem good enough. If you do see it, then you have to find another way (a dice for example, or turning the end face down, shuffling it, and drawing from it).

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25 Jul 2012 20:05 #33839 by Jeff Kuta
Revelations in play will certainly help you decide whether it is useful to use Darius Styx' ability, but you still need to randomize as Ohlmann states. The other Methuselah can simply move all the cards to his or her hand once Darius' action resolves and then you can pick at random (and then after resolution put the cards back into view).

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25 Jul 2012 20:39 #33843 by Pascal Bertrand
Correct answers from Ohlmann and Jeff Kuta: the hand has to be randomized before resolving Darius' ability.

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26 Jul 2012 04:40 #33848 by Ankha

Well, you are making the false assumption that random mean "you choose a card in the hand of your opponent". It mean "a randomly selected card"

A good example of this is the Uncoiling:

Name: The Uncoiling
[SoC:R]
Cardtype: Event
Event. Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
During your discard phase, burn one other event at random. Any other Methuselah may use a discard phase action and burn X pool to burn this card, where X is the number of other events in play.

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26 Jul 2012 17:13 #33860 by porphyrion

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