Orun

"For non-orun cards played by methuselahs other than this laibon`s controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity"

1. This only pertains to cards being directed towards the minion and does not grant him 2 more actual capacity to give blood to correct?

2. Does each Orun stack? 2 Orun on 1 minion is considered 4 capacity higher correct?

"A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three orun he or she has."

1. Is this across the board? Any Laibon (me, other players) that have 3 Orun get 1 additional vote?

Master: trifle. Put this card on a laibon. For non-orun cards played by methuselahs other than this laibon`s controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity. A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three orun he or she has. If this laibon succesfully bleeds for more than 2 or succesfully performs a action against a non-mortal minion, he or she burns one orun. Burn this card if this Laibon has more Orun and Aye than his capacity.

1-1 any card 'd or otherwise i.e. Reins of Power
it would grant more blood, only to flow off for exceeding capacity i.e. giants blood

1-2 yes

2-1 votes granted by x3 apply only to that vampire.

Thanks! Perfect Clarification!

Trigger wrote:

"For non-orun cards played by methuselahs other than this laibon`s controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity"

1. This only pertains to cards being directed towards the minion and does not grant him 2 more actual capacity to give blood to correct?

It affects "non-Orun cards played by other Methuselahs. This includes D-action cards, but also undirected action cards (Reins of Power), action modifiers (Seduction), masters (Golconda: Inner Peace), etc.

Trigger wrote:

2. Does each Orun stack? 2 Orun on 1 minion is considered 4 capacity higher correct?

Yes. Effects in VTES are cumulative, unless explicitly written (example of non-cumulative effect: Army of Rats).

Trigger wrote:

"A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three orun he or she has."

1. Is this across the board? Any Laibon (me, other players) that have 3 Orun get 1 additional vote?

Unless you're playing draft (in which case there is a card that counts as an Orun, but doesn't have this text), only Orun cards have this text. It is a generic effect: Any Laibon with Oruns (not only yours) get +1 vote for each 3 Oruns he or she has.
In constructed tournaments, there is no difference.

Hi, can I just get a clarification on a situation which happened in a game tonight as Im not completely sure how to interpret some of the above thread.

..I'm confused by the specific text on Orun: For non-Orun cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity.

Example: Player A had an 11capacity Laibon, with 4x Orun (giving them an effective capacity of 19)
They then play Reins of Power: (Successful referendum means each Methuselah may choose a ready vampire he or she controls. Each Methuselah gains 6 pool. Each Methuselah also burns an amount of pool equal to the capacity of his or her predator's chosen vampire. Only one Reins of Power can be played or called in a game. )

This leads to their prey gaining 6 pool. Then do the lose 19 pool, or only 11 (as cards played by the Laibons controller (ie: Reins of Power) ignore the additionaly capacity)

Also, if the answer is only 11 pool is lost - if another player had played Reins of Power, then the fully bonussed Laibon's cap of 19 would be used to calculate pool loss, right?

Hope this makes sense! Thanks in advance


Orun. Master: trifle.
Put this card on a Laibon. For non-Orun cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity. A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three Orun he or she has. If this Laibon successfully bleeds for more than 2 or successfully performs a action against a non-mortal minion, he or she burns one Orun. Burn this card if this Laibon has more Orun and Aye than his or her capacity.