file Cave of apples vs Imbued

09 Feb 2013 01:13 #45048 by Corax
Was there a rules reversal. I thought that Imbued's cost were zero for cards that determined things off allies costs. Checking the site here they are based of their starting life now.

Type(s): Master
Clan(s): Follower of Set
Pool Cost: 3
Rarity: Rare
Artist(s): Alexander Dunnigan
Set(s): *Lords of the Night
* Set card was introduced
Card Text:
Master: unique location.
Any Follower of Set you control may put a corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a (D) action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds his or her capacity or cost, you may burn those counters to gain control of him or her.

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09 Feb 2013 01:55 #45050 by Mael
Replied by Mael on topic Re: Cave of apples vs Imbued
Their cost is the same as their starting life (this is specified on one of the rules cards that came in that set).
Their 'cost to recruit' is zero, as they are not recruited. So effects that look specifically for the cost to recruit (eg Kindred Segregation) see them as having a pool cost of zero.
Effects like Pentweret, Corruption or Cave of Apples see their actual pool cost.

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09 Feb 2013 01:55 - 09 Feb 2013 01:56 #45051 by brm130
Replied by brm130 on topic Re: Cave of apples vs Imbued
My understanding is that not having a cost isn't the same as cost = zero.

In this case, you'd go with the [life] capacity of the Imbued.

e: Beaten with a better explanation.
Last edit: 09 Feb 2013 01:56 by brm130.

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09 Feb 2013 22:01 - 09 Feb 2013 22:12 #45090 by Adonai
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Cave of apples vs Imbued

Was there a rules reversal.


No.

I thought that Imbued's cost were zero for cards that determined things off allies costs.

Imbued have no 'cost to recruit', because they are not 'recruited' like other allies.
Cards which care about the 'cost to recruit' see that cost as 0.
Cards which care about anything else, see the pool cost of putting the card in play as the cost.

See also:
Imbued FAQ

Q) What amount of pool is the cost to recruit an Imbued for the purposes of Kindred Segregation?

A) Imbued are not recruited, so they have no cost to recruit and all Imbued in play may stay in play by repaying that zero cost.

Q) What amount of pool is the cost for an Imbued for Cave of Apples, Consume the Dead, Contagion, Corruption, Khobar Towers, Al-Khubar, Pentweret or Venenation?

A) These cards do not care about the 'cost to recruit' the ally, so they will only be concerned with the cost to influence the Imbued minion into play, i.e. their starting life.

Last edit: 09 Feb 2013 22:12 by Adonai. Reason: FAQ link
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10 Feb 2013 13:52 #45133 by Pascal Bertrand

Their cost is the same as their starting life (this is specified on one of the rules cards that came in that set).
Their 'cost to recruit' is zero, as they are not recruited. So effects that look specifically for the cost to recruit (eg Kindred Segregation) see them as having a pool cost of zero.
Effects like Pentweret, Corruption or Cave of Apples see their actual pool cost.

Correct.

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