Very simple bleed question
26 Feb 2013 17:46 #45545
by Mr Apone
Very simple bleed question was created by Mr Apone
I'm new to the game and am unsure on the concept of bleeding. As there's no inherent stealth to bleeding and there's an inherent 0 to intercept, does that mean that without stealth you can never bleed? For instance, Harold Tanner would always need a card with some level of Obfuscate in order to get a bonus to stealth, just in order to bleed OR is bleed an automatic success?
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26 Feb 2013 18:08 - 26 Feb 2013 18:11 #45546
by Pascal Bertrand
When a minion - vampire or ally - attempts to block, that minion has an intercept value for this block attempt. The default value of intercept for minions is 0.
If a minion attempts to block a 0-stealth action while having 0 intercept, and the acting minion plays no stealth card (usually, Obfuscate, Obtenebration, Chimerstry, Protean or Vicissitude), the action is declared blocked, and combat ensues. The action is not successful, and, if it was a bleed, no pool is lost.
However, if there is no block attempt (only untapped minions controlled by the target can declare block attempts), then the action is successful, and, in case it was a bleed action, pool would be burned, and the Edge would be awarded to the controller of the bleeding minion.
So, it all depends on whether someone is declaring a block attempt.
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Very simple bleed question
Bleeds are actions taken by vampires (most frequently). The default stealth for the default bleed action is indeed 0.I'm new to the game and am unsure on the concept of bleeding. As there's no inherent stealth to bleeding and there's an inherent 0 to intercept, does that mean that without stealth you can never bleed? For instance, Harold Tanner would always need a card with some level of Obfuscate in order to get a bonus to stealth, just in order to bleed OR is bleed an automatic success?
When a minion - vampire or ally - attempts to block, that minion has an intercept value for this block attempt. The default value of intercept for minions is 0.
If a minion attempts to block a 0-stealth action while having 0 intercept, and the acting minion plays no stealth card (usually, Obfuscate, Obtenebration, Chimerstry, Protean or Vicissitude), the action is declared blocked, and combat ensues. The action is not successful, and, if it was a bleed, no pool is lost.
However, if there is no block attempt (only untapped minions controlled by the target can declare block attempts), then the action is successful, and, in case it was a bleed action, pool would be burned, and the Edge would be awarded to the controller of the bleeding minion.
So, it all depends on whether someone is declaring a block attempt.
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26 Feb 2013 18:15 #45547
by Ke.
Replied by Ke. on topic Re: Very simple bleed question
Well, you must tap to take an action and you must be untapped in order to tap and block. So if you have more minions to act than your prey has untapped minions to block, then you will will likely get bleeds through even at 0 stealth.
That's one of the great dynamics of the game — managing the balance between attacking and defending... If you tap all of your minions attacking your prey then it's much harder to defend yourself.
That's one of the great dynamics of the game — managing the balance between attacking and defending... If you tap all of your minions attacking your prey then it's much harder to defend yourself.
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26 Feb 2013 20:19 #45548
by Mr Apone
Replied by Mr Apone on topic Re: Very simple bleed question
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