Tier of Souls vs. Allies

Tier of Souls says take a blood from a MINION. That is an term that encompasses both allies and vampires.

XZealot wrote:

Tier of Souls says take a blood from a MINION. That is an term that encompasses both allies and vampires.

It is, yes. If there was an ally with blood, it would take blood from that ally. It's just there aren't any allies with blood.

Similarly, Jar the Soul targets minions, but burns blood from the target minion (at superior) - which will do nothing to an ally.
Bonecraft goes on a minion, and can only be burned by that minion paying blood - something that allies can't do, so they're stuck with it.
Condemnation: Betrayed goes on a minion, but makes bleed actions cost an additional blood for that minion - a cost allies cannot meet.
Omael Kuman can be activated by a minion - by paying blood, something that allies don't have, so they can't use it.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

XZealot wrote:

Tier of Souls says take a blood from a MINION. That is an term that encompasses both allies and vampires.

It is, yes. If there was an ally with blood, it would take blood from that ally. It's just there aren't any allies with blood.

Similarly, Jar the Soul targets minions, but burns blood from the target minion (at superior) - which will do nothing to an ally.

+1 stealth action.
[nec] Tap any ready minion.
[NEC] As above, and that minion burns 1 blood.

Bonecraft goes on a minion, and can only be burned by that minion paying blood - something that allies can't do, so they're stuck with it.

[vic] Strike: 1 damage. Put this card on the opposing minion. The minion with this card has -1 strength. (This does not affect the current Strike Resolution step.) He or she may burn this card by paying 2 blood as a +1 stealth action.

Condemnation: Betrayed goes on a minion, but makes bleed actions cost an additional blood for that minion - a cost allies cannot meet.

[dai] Requires an Infernal vampire. Put this card on a ready minion. Bleed actions cost the minion with this card an additional blood. Burn all other Condemnations on this minion.

Omael Kuman can be activated by a minion - by paying blood, something that allies don't have, so they can't use it.

Unique ghoul with 1 life.
Before range is determined on the first round of combat, the minion with this retainer may burn 1 blood to set the range for the round.

Tier of Souls says "move blood," not "burn blood." Is it correct that "move blood" effects cannot affect life counters?

TwoRazorReign wrote:

Tier of Souls says "move blood," not "burn blood." Is it correct that "move blood" effects cannot affect life counters?

"Move blood" cannot affect life, because it is not blood. [FZD 20130828] and [LSJ 20060304]

"Burn blood" does not affect life, because it is not blood. www.vekn.net/index.php/general-rulings "Ignore all "burn blood" effects entirely. [TOM 19960326]"


In general, something involving "blood" that affects an ally (who does not have blood) will not swap the word "life" in for blood unless either:

- there is explicit card text
- there is explicit rules text. (This rules text exists for "steal blood" - see 6.4.5: www.vekn.net/rulebook.)