Houngan on Lisandro
06 Oct 2014 11:02 #66061
by Shockwave
Here we go again....
Dave Knowles (Advanced)
Sabbat Bishop of Manchester
Houngan on Lisandro was created by Shockwave
Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.
I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.
The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.
Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.
Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.
I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.
The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.
Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.
Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.



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06 Oct 2014 11:08 - 06 Oct 2014 11:54 #66062
by Timo
Replied by Timo on topic Re: Houngan on Lisandro
BUT :
How would Lisandro gain an "additional" blood if he didn't gain a first blood ?
How would Lisandro gain an "additional" blood if he didn't gain a first blood ?
Last edit: 06 Oct 2014 11:54 by Timo.
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06 Oct 2014 11:30 #66064
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Houngan on Lisandro
No he cannot gain any blood with Houngan, unless he clan impersonates to Samedi.
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06 Oct 2014 17:34 #66084
by Pascal Bertrand
"he" refers to "this Samedi", not to "this vampire" (not written on the card).
Therefore, Lisandro indeed cannot gain blood at all with Houngan (unless he's Samedi)
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Houngan on Lisandro
That's grammar.Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.
I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.
The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.
Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.
Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.
"he" refers to "this Samedi", not to "this vampire" (not written on the card).
Therefore, Lisandro indeed cannot gain blood at all with Houngan (unless he's Samedi)
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30 May 2015 00:13 - 30 May 2015 00:14 #71412
by Sydnelson
Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson
LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer

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Replied by Sydnelson on topic Re: Houngan on Lisandro
I will use this thread since is related to my question.
Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?
I guess no but I need check it.
Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.
Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?
I guess no but I need check it.
Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.
Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson
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Last edit: 30 May 2015 00:14 by Sydnelson.
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30 May 2015 04:55 #71413
by a-e
First, Coroner's Contract doesn't require Samedi so it won't see Lisandro as Samedi at any point. Second, Lisandro needs to be in play to have his special to work. Uncontrolled vampires can't use their special text, so uncontrolled Lisandro is just 9 cap Giovanni.
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
Replied by a-e on topic Re: Houngan on Lisandro
I will use this thread since is related to my question.
Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?
I guess no but I need check it.
Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.
First, Coroner's Contract doesn't require Samedi so it won't see Lisandro as Samedi at any point. Second, Lisandro needs to be in play to have his special to work. Uncontrolled vampires can't use their special text, so uncontrolled Lisandro is just 9 cap Giovanni.
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