Tupdog
09 Oct 2014 17:08 #66295
by Klaital
There is no reson it would, if it could rush without a !tremere around then it wouldn't be a slave.
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Tupdog
Hehe, "1.4. The Golden Rule for Cards - Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence." Sometimes, not always!The tupdog cannot take
actions unless a Tremere antitribu is ready. This includes his built in
Apart from it would be imbalanced, no-one has ever to my satisfaction explained to me why 1.4 does not over ride his slave status
There is no reson it would, if it could rush without a !tremere around then it wouldn't be a slave.
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09 Oct 2014 18:35 #66299
by jamesatzephyr
Tupdog's card text provides an additional action that he can take, when he can take a action - much like a cardless bleed action, a cardless diablerie action, the action to mess with Powerbase: Chicago, or Bum's Rush. When Tupdog is able to take a action, he can pick from any of those actions - including the extra one from his card text.
Until he has a master vampire out, however, he can't take a action at all.
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Apart from it would be imbalanced, no-one has ever to my satisfaction explained to me why 1.4 does not over ride his slave status
Tupdog's card text provides an additional
action that he can take, when he can take a action - much like a cardless bleed action, a cardless diablerie action, the action to mess with Powerbase: Chicago, or Bum's Rush. When Tupdog is able to take a action, he can pick from any of those actions - including the extra one from his card text.Until he has a master vampire out, however, he can't take a
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09 Oct 2014 20:10 #66300
by Jeff Kuta
Definition of Slave trait.
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Apart from it would be imbalanced, no-one has ever to my satisfaction explained to me why 1.4 does not over ride his slave status
Definition of Slave trait.
Slave: Some minions are identified as slaves to a specified clan. A slave cannot take a directed action if his controller doesn't control a ready member of the specified clan. Also, if a member of the specified clan controlled by the same Methuselah is blocked, the controller can tap the slave to cancel the combat and to untap the acting vampire and have the slave enter combat with the blocking minion instead.
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10 Oct 2014 04:35 - 10 Oct 2014 04:41 #66317
by Ankha
"Tupdog may enter combat with any minion as a action" isn't the same as "Tupdog may enter combat with any minion as a action and can take actions ignoring its slave status".
So basically,
1/ he can enter combat as a action
2/ he can't take actions while there isn't a ready !Tremere.
As always, the "can't" part take precedence over the "can" part.
Here's another example for this: Tupdog can enter combat with A + A has a Secure Haven (can't take actions against him) = Tupdog can't enter combat with A.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Tupdog
Correct. When a effect overrides a rule, it doesn't extend beyond the scope of that effect.
Apart from it would be imbalanced, no-one has ever to my satisfaction explained to me why 1.4 does not over ride his slave status
Tupdog's card text provides an additional
Until he has a master vampire out, however, he can't take a
"Tupdog may enter combat with any minion as a
action" isn't the same as "Tupdog may enter combat with any minion as a action and can take actions ignoring its slave status".So basically,
1/ he can enter combat as a
action2/ he can't take
actions while there isn't a ready !Tremere.As always, the "can't" part take precedence over the "can" part.
Here's another example for this: Tupdog can enter combat with A + A has a Secure Haven (can't take
actions against him) = Tupdog can't enter combat with A.
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10 Oct 2014 04:40 #66318
by Ankha
Since only the player who plays a card pays the cost of it (unless explicit card text such as a Ravnos Cache), the controller of Walker doesn't pay when other players play a master card on him. "cost you" is the key part. Walker's effect doesn't allow players to pay cards played by other players.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Tupdog
This is also true for Walker Grimes: "Master cards that target Walker cost you an additional pool."Correct. When a effect overrides a rule, it doesn't extend beyond the scope of that effect.
Since only the player who plays a card pays the cost of it (unless explicit card text such as a Ravnos Cache), the controller of Walker doesn't pay when other players play a master card on him. "cost you" is the key part. Walker's effect doesn't allow players to pay cards played by other players.
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