Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
26 May 2015 11:17 #71325
by Whisker
Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets was created by Whisker
What happens when Kestrelle Hayes or any other vampire that has stealth bonus against specific target makes D action against multiple players (e.g. border skirmish) where some of the targets meet the criteria for stealth bonus and others don't?
a) The action has individual stealth score against each target.
b) The criteria for stealth special is met, and bonus is gained against all targets.
c) No bonus is gained.
d) something weird (please specify)
I would argue for option b), but I'm not quite certain.
Kestrelle Hayes
[dom]
[for]
[obt]
[AUS]
[Ventrue antitribu] Ventrue antitribu
Capacity: 6
Group: 5
Sabbat. Black Hand: Kestrelle gets +1 stealth on
actions directed at a Methuselah who doesn't control a ready Sabbat vampire.
a) The action has individual stealth score against each target.
b) The criteria for stealth special is met, and bonus is gained against all targets.
c) No bonus is gained.
d) something weird (please specify)
I would argue for option b), but I'm not quite certain.
Kestrelle Hayes
[dom]
[for]
[obt]
[AUS]
[Ventrue antitribu] Ventrue antitribu
Capacity: 6
Group: 5
Sabbat. Black Hand: Kestrelle gets +1 stealth on

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26 May 2015 12:22 #71326
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
I'd say she doesn't get the bonus, since all the targets don't meet the criteria.What happens when Kestrelle Hayes or any other vampire that has stealth bonus against specific target makes D action against multiple players (e.g. border skirmish) where some of the targets meet the criteria for stealth bonus and others don't?
a) The action has individual stealth score against each target.
b) The criteria for stealth special is met, and bonus is gained against all targets.
c) No bonus is gained.
d) something weird (please specify)
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26 May 2015 13:39 #71327
by Borrelstein
Replied by Borrelstein on topic Re: Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
For the example Border Skirmish:
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch.
Each other Methuselah discards one card at random from his or her hand, and this anarch untaps at the end of the turn.
I think it does fulfill the criteria depending on the target. It is directed at each methuselah, and as stealth is related to blocking and each methuselah gets an individual chance to try to block, it makes sense that people without a sabbat vampire have more trouble in blocking the action, hence in this case I would say it is option a). JUDGE!
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch.

I think it does fulfill the criteria depending on the target. It is directed at each methuselah, and as stealth is related to blocking and each methuselah gets an individual chance to try to block, it makes sense that people without a sabbat vampire have more trouble in blocking the action, hence in this case I would say it is option a). JUDGE!

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26 May 2015 14:41 #71330
by jamesatzephyr
No, stealth is just one value that goes up or down, you don't track stealth differently for each Methuselah on the table.
The only real choices here are whether:
- you need every target Methuselah to not have a Sabbat vampire for the special ability to apply
- any single target Methuselah not having a Sabbat vampire would activate the ability.
Based on her wording, I'd go for the latter - a multi-target
action by Andy that targets Brenda (controls Gratiano, Sabbat) and Charlie (controls Anneke, Camarilla) is directed at "a Methuselah who doesn't control a ready Sabbat vampire", because Charlie is one of those.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
I think it does fulfill the criteria depending on the target. It is directed at each methuselah, and as stealth is related to blocking and each methuselah gets an individual chance to try to block, it makes sense that people without a sabbat vampire have more trouble in blocking the action, hence in this case I would say it is option a). JUDGE!
No, stealth is just one value that goes up or down, you don't track stealth differently for each Methuselah on the table.
The only real choices here are whether:
- you need every target Methuselah to not have a Sabbat vampire for the special ability to apply
- any single target Methuselah not having a Sabbat vampire would activate the ability.
Based on her wording, I'd go for the latter - a multi-target

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26 May 2015 17:04 - 26 May 2015 17:08 #71334
by TwoRazorReign
Replied by TwoRazorReign on topic Re: Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
You wrote: "No, stealth is just one value that goes up or down, you don't track stealth differently for each Methuselah on the table."
Why not? Is there a ruling or something else your assertion is based on? It's a D action targeting multiple Methuselahs. If the targeted Methuselah does not control a ready sabbat vampire, the criteria to gain stealth against that Methuselah is met. This seems logical. But I wonder if there is a ruling that counteracts this logic.
Why not? Is there a ruling or something else your assertion is based on? It's a D action targeting multiple Methuselahs. If the targeted Methuselah does not control a ready sabbat vampire, the criteria to gain stealth against that Methuselah is met. This seems logical. But I wonder if there is a ruling that counteracts this logic.
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26 May 2015 17:18 #71335
by N1CK3Y
Replied by N1CK3Y on topic Re: Kestrelle Hayes and multiple targets
I am a newbie, here, but my understanding on this is that there is but ONE action directed at several methuselahs, rather than each having the occasion of blocking different instances of the very same action. One very much same action can not be at 0 stealth and at 1 stealth at the same time, it just doesn't make any sense. Either the action is at 0 stealth for everybody, either it is at 1. This is a card game, not quantum physics.
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