fabrizia contreraz

enriquesmw wrote:

www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/spanish/cardlist_esp.txt

The Spanish translate of the card it's prety clear:

"Arzobispo Sabbat de Miami: Si tu presa --no controla-- a ningún vampiro Camarilla, Fabrizia consigue 2 votos menos en cada referéndum."

not controls like you say

Thx

Pretty clear, and also incorrect. Fabrizia loses her votes when your prey's only vampire - Anson - goes to torpor.

A better wording for the Spanish version would be "Arzobispo Sabbat de Miami: Si tu presa --no controla-- a ningún vampiro Camarilla listo, Fabrizia consigue 2 votos menos en cada referéndum." (or the appropriate word for "ready")

enriquesmw wrote:

Ok, the problem is that in spanish for us (non english experts) the "no" word aplies to the rest of the sentence

"I have no chocolate ice cream" means that the amount of chocolate ice cream I have is zero. It does not mean that I have ice cream which is non-chocolate - I might, or I might not, but the sentence "I have no chocolate ice cream" does not say whether I do or not.

"There are no blue flowers in the vase" would be true even if the vase is empty. It does not mean that there are flowers in the vase which are non-blue.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

enriquesmw wrote:

Ok, the problem is that in spanish for us (non english experts) the "no" word aplies to the rest of the sentence

"I have no chocolate ice cream" means that the amount of chocolate ice cream I have is zero. It does not mean that I have ice cream which is non-chocolate - I might, or I might not, but the sentence "I have no chocolate ice cream" does not say whether I do or not.

"There are no blue flowers in the vase" would be true even if the vase is empty. It does not mean that there are flowers in the vase which are non-blue.

This is a very good answer, thanks to all now i think that this is much more clear

Yes, i hope that dammans can update the card list translation and we (the players) never forget that is a translation and not the official source of the text of the cards.

In my personal case i was out of the game from 2007, so for that we are recently trying to start playing again, so this clarifications are very good for us, thx

Pascal wrote:

enriquesmw wrote:

www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/spanish/cardlist_esp.txt

The Spanish translate of the card it's prety clear:

"Arzobispo Sabbat de Miami: Si tu presa --no controla-- a ningún vampiro Camarilla, Fabrizia consigue 2 votos menos en cada referéndum."

not controls like you say

Thx

Pretty clear, and also incorrect. Fabrizia loses her votes when your prey's only vampire - Anson - goes to torpor.

A better wording for the Spanish version would be "Arzobispo Sabbat de Miami: Si tu presa --no controla-- a ningún vampiro Camarilla listo, Fabrizia consigue 2 votos menos en cada referéndum." (or the appropriate word for "ready")

Also note that regardless of whether your prey has camarilla vampire or not, Fabrizia will still be archbishop, and thus can play any cards requiring an archbishop, even if she has no votes.

Ankha wrote:

Also: she has her 2 votes only while you prey controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

Best explanation!
I always have problem to understand Fabrizia text,and I beleive more people have problem too,is complicated.
Maybe is time to she text be changed to everyone understand when read card 1 time,no 3 times?!
Ankha text is best to understand,anyone agre with me?