file Timing of Sascha Vykos's adv. special and "Sudden Reversal"

14 Jun 2017 21:49 #82215 by Hakuron
Somebody else plays a master card.
Does the special text of Sascha Vykos adv. allow me to draw into a Sudden Reversal (or Wash) and use it against that master card?

Relevant texts:
  • Advanced, Sabbat Archbishop of Washington, D.C.: If Sascha is ready, you may draw a card from your library after another Methuselah plays a master card.
  • Master: out-of-turn.
    Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played (no cost is paid).


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14 Jun 2017 22:56 #82217 by GreyB
I think so, afaik. "plays a master card" equals "as it is played" so before it's resolved.

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14 Jun 2017 23:07 #82218 by narpassword
Id have thought you'd need the card in your hand in order to play it in the 'as it is played' window.

If Sascha is ready, you may draw a card from your library AFTER another Methuselah plays a master card.

'After' seems the key word here.

Meth plays the master card.
Nothing is played 'as it is played'
Master card resolves
Sacha's controller can draw a card.
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15 Jun 2017 06:56 #82219 by jamesatzephyr

Somebody else plays a master card.
Does the special text of Sascha Vykos adv. allow me to draw into a Sudden Reversal (or Wash) and use it against that master card?


No. [LSJ 20051121]

> If a card lets you do X when Y is played, can you do X then play
> soomething to cancel Y.

No. Canceling Y "as it is played" must be done as it is played, not
after X.

> Example: Sascha Vykos lets you draw a card whenever someone plays a
> master card.
>
> If Meth A plays Blood Doll can Sascha then draw a card, get a sudden
> and then sudden the Blood Doll, or is using the ability come after the
> playing of a card?

No.

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