Some Questions

Recenty we played our first VTES session in years and a lot of rule questions came up.

- If I steal an equipment, ally, location or vampire and the original controller of those cards is ousted before me, do I keep them until the end of the game?

- Can "Unleash Hell´s Fury" block a action targeting a vampire/location I control? The card says "only against you".

- If I reduce the capacity of a vampire with Barrenness and I´m ousted, does the affected vampire get his or her capacity back?

- How do I know in general if a card played by an ousted player stays in the table?

Thank you.

manituan wrote:

- If I steal an equipment, ally, location or vampire and the original controller of those cards is ousted before me, do I keep them until the end of the game?

Yes. Use proxies if the player must pack up and leave.

- Can "Unleash Hell´s Fury" block a action targeting a vampire/location I control? The card says "only against you".

Yes. See the rulebook section 6.2.2 on actions: the (or a card you control) part is just a redundant clarification, a action against one of your cards is always a action against you.

- If I reduce the capacity of a vampire with Barrenness and I´m ousted, does the affected vampire get his or her capacity back?

- How do I know in general if a card played by an ousted player stays in the table?

See question 1. Barrenness is put on vampire. Attached minion cards are controlled by the minion's controller, so they stay in play after you are ousted.

The general rule is: cards you control burn when you are ousted. You control:
1) All unattached cards in your controlled region,
2) All minion cards attached to your cards, no matter who played them,
3) Master cards you play, no matter what they are attached to.

1 covers you first question about stealing. 2 means: you Disarm someone, you get ousted, Disarm stays in play. 3 means: you Pentex someone, you get ousted, Pentex burns. That is also why burning the Pentex is a action against the Methuselah who played it, while burning a Pulled Fangs is an undirected action.

manituan wrote:

- If I steal an equipment, ally, location or vampire and the original controller of those cards is ousted before me, do I keep them until the end of the game?

When a player is ousted, cards they control are removed from the game. Any cards controlled by someone else stay with them. If the control is temporary (e.g. Mind Rape), then it's burned when it would be returned to them.

manituan wrote:

- Can "Unleash Hell´s Fury" block a action targeting a vampire/location I control? The card says "only against you".

Actions against something you control are also against you. [LSJ 20090324]

manituan wrote:

- If I reduce the capacity of a vampire with Barrenness and I´m ousted, does the affected vampire get his or her capacity back?

From the rulebook, 1.6.3:
Barrennness card text:
So it's a minion card, so by default the controller is whoever it's on. When you're ousted, Barrenness stays in play on another Methuselah's minion, because you don't control it.

manituan wrote:

- How do I know in general if a card played by an ousted player stays in the table?

Work out who controls it. If it's the ousted player, it goes with them.

Rulebook, 1.6.2:
Rulebook, 1.6.3
Rulebook, 1.6.4
Then check for explicit card text like "You still control this card" (e.g. Temptation). Or for explicit change of control effects that have been played.

about master card,if you play discipline card or vesel on minion of another player,who is counted as controler?

beslin wrote:

about master card,if you play discipline card or vesel on minion of another player,who is counted as controler?

Rulebook, 1.6.2:
Note that using Vessel doesn't care about who Vessel's controller it, it looks at the controller of the vampire.

I'm interested in whether it's a rule for Mind Rape changed? if read post from LSJ and jamesatzephyr we get diferent answers:

LSJ

HardyRange wrote:
> Hello,
>
> couldn't find an answer to this situation that happend yesterday:
>
> A vampire I control successfully has played Mind Rape on one of my
> prey's minions.
> However, before my next turn comes around, I am ousted.
>
> I ruled that Mind Rape, as a minion card, is controlled by the player
> of the vampire it is on.
> Since I am out of the game, I do never get another minion phase,
> therefore the condition to burn Mind Rape never triggers, and the card
> just stays in play - so the poor vamp can never untap as normal for the
> rest of the game.
>
> Was this correct?
Yes.
Google: "Mind Rape ousted author:LSJ"

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jamesatzephyr:

When a player is ousted, cards they control are removed from the game. Any cards controlled by someone else stay with them. If the control is temporary (e.g. Mind Rape), then it's burned when it would be returned to them.