Secure Haven - "Target"
06 Sep 2018 11:48 #90459
by Yomyael
Prince of Bonn, Germany
Secure Haven - "Target" was created by Yomyael
In our playgroup yesterday the question arose, when a master card "targets" a vampire. Does Tend the Flock target the chosen ready Baali?
Cardtexts
Secure Haven
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have only one haven.
Tend the Flock
Master.
Choose a ready, untapped, infernal Baali you control. Move 3 pool from the bank to a younger infernal vampire in your uncontrolled region.
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have only one haven.
Tend the Flock
Master.
Choose a ready, untapped, infernal Baali you control. Move 3 pool from the bank to a younger infernal vampire in your uncontrolled region.
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06 Sep 2018 13:32 #90462
by markeeuu
Replied by markeeuu on topic Secure Haven - "Target"
No because the text states "Choose" and not target.The reason is that the card's text only works if the uncontrolled vampire is younger, therefore you need to let everyone know that the card is being played by a Baali with capacity X, putting blood on infernal vampire with capacity < X
So if you didn't have to choose, you could have a 5 cap Baali in play and be able to put 3 counters on a 10 cap infernal vampire.
So if you didn't have to choose, you could have a 5 cap Baali in play and be able to put 3 counters on a 10 cap infernal vampire.
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06 Sep 2018 16:30 #90464
by M.Schumacher
Replied by M.Schumacher on topic Secure Haven - "Target"
Thats not correct as per
groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/secure$20haven$20cost|sort:date/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/Fu9bb63ds90/HtMDR-nHBsAJ
Secure haven increases the cost of Tend the flock by 1.
groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/secure$20haven$20cost|sort:date/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/Fu9bb63ds90/HtMDR-nHBsAJ
Secure haven increases the cost of Tend the flock by 1.
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06 Sep 2018 19:02 #90470
by markeeuu
Replied by markeeuu on topic Secure Haven - "Target"
I guess it could be argued that the Master is not being played on the Secured Heaven minion, but on the uncontrolled vampire. I see how it can also be interpreted in the way your link lists.
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07 Sep 2018 07:03 #90474
by Bloodartist
This is irrelevant to the topic though. The topic question is does "choose" count as "targeting". Apparently in VTES it does.
The current wording of secure haven has:
"Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion."
Personally I wouldn't make the tend the flock cost extra since tend the flock doesn't use the word "target" nor is it technically played on the vampire ("Play on an infernal vampire"). But this is a problem with tend the flock's wording. If you consider how the card is supposed to be used it should cost extra.
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Replied by Bloodartist on topic Secure Haven - "Target"
No because the text states "Choose" and not target.The reason is that the card's text only works if the uncontrolled vampire is younger, therefore you need to let everyone know that the card is being played by a Baali with capacity X, putting blood on infernal vampire with capacity < X
So if you didn't have to choose, you could have a 5 cap Baali in play and be able to put 3 counters on a 10 cap infernal vampire.
This is irrelevant to the topic though. The topic question is does "choose" count as "targeting". Apparently in VTES it does.
The current wording of secure haven has:
"Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion."
Personally I wouldn't make the tend the flock cost extra since tend the flock doesn't use the word "target" nor is it technically played on the vampire ("Play on an infernal vampire"). But this is a problem with tend the flock's wording. If you consider how the card is supposed to be used it should cost extra.
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07 Sep 2018 08:46 - 07 Sep 2018 08:46 #90475
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Secure Haven - "Target"
Target: a card is targeted if:
- it is chosen ("choose...")
- it is the target of a action, ("Enter combat with a minion" -- the minion is the target of the action)
groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/clifT98_Zrk/aQ4cGuJnT9wJ
See also:
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/G1w6TeymEnQ/QS78VbaUmgIJ
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/IdQTvFaLVC0/bqBtMgwFZ18J
- it is chosen ("choose...")
- it is the target of a action, ("Enter combat with a minion" -- the minion is the target of the action)
groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/clifT98_Zrk/aQ4cGuJnT9wJ
> Choosing is not targetting -none of these cost anything.
Incorrect.
See also:
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/G1w6TeymEnQ/QS78VbaUmgIJ
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/IdQTvFaLVC0/bqBtMgwFZ18J
Last edit: 07 Sep 2018 08:46 by Ankha.
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