Mind of the Wilds + Telepathic Tracking
09 Jul 2019 06:35 #95805
by Lönkka
Replied by Lönkka on topic Mind of the Wilds + Telepathic Tracking
VERY valid points from Boris The Blade!
It is especially so much clearer to put the unqualified items first.
But so true regarding different timings too.
Here is an old and valid proverb: KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)
It is especially so much clearer to put the unqualified items first.
But so true regarding different timings too.
Here is an old and valid proverb: KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)
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09 Jul 2019 07:00 - 09 Jul 2019 07:01 #95806
by Ankha
"A, and B during C" = "{A, and B} during C" (because of the Oxford comma, you can't assume that C only applies to B).
"A during C, and B" cannot be logically misunderstood as "C applies to A and B". (But you can read it quickly and make the wrong assumption, so we want to help the reader with that).
Replied by Ankha on topic Mind of the Wilds + Telepathic Tracking
No, it isn't, because "in the first round of the resulting combat" could apply to the whole sentence.
In general, when a qualifier applies to only part of a list, it is clearer to put the unqualified items first, e.g.:The sentence used on the card is correct, but I think we can improve it indeed (Principle of least astonishment).
"If this action is blocked, the blocking minion cannot strike to end combat, and this vampire gets an optional maneuver in the first round of the resulting combat."
"A, and B during C" = "{A, and B} during C" (because of the Oxford comma, you can't assume that C only applies to B).
"A during C, and B" cannot be logically misunderstood as "C applies to A and B". (But you can read it quickly and make the wrong assumption, so we want to help the reader with that).
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09 Jul 2019 07:03 - 09 Jul 2019 07:05 #95807
by Ankha
On the other hand, Form of Mist is played 99% of the time in a situation that requires stealth (since the action was blocked, it means that the blocking minion has enough intercept), except in some corner-case situations. We removed those 1% unintuitive situation.
Replied by Ankha on topic Mind of the Wilds + Telepathic Tracking
Yes, but this is a totally different situation. Mind of the Wilds can be played at inferior if you don't need the stealth. At superior, like almost every action modifier, you can play it only if you need stealth.
You're not clarifying, you're changing the card.
If stealth is not needed, you cannot play it at superior (but you can play it at inferior).
but that exact change was made to Form of Mist...
On the other hand, Form of Mist is played 99% of the time in a situation that requires stealth (since the action was blocked, it means that the blocking minion has enough intercept), except in some corner-case situations. We removed those 1% unintuitive situation.
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09 Jul 2019 08:22 #95809
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Mind of the Wilds + Telepathic Tracking
You are comparing an action modifier card and a combat card, with two very different effects.
Yes, but this is a totally different situation. Mind of the Wilds can be played at inferior if you don't need the stealth. At superior, like almost every action modifier, you can play it only if you need stealth.
You're not clarifying, you're changing the card.
If stealth is not needed, you cannot play it at superior (but you can play it at inferior).
but that exact change was made to Form of Mist...
On the other hand, Form of Mist is played 99% of the time in a situation that requires stealth (since the action was blocked, it means that the blocking minion has enough intercept), except in some corner-case situations. We removed those 1% unintuitive situation.
But isn't this exactly the problem. Because exceptions like this are created, we have a lot of rules differences based only on context of the card.
No, there are not of the same type, and they don't work the same at all. One is a combat ends that continues the action. The other is an action modifier that prevents from playing combat ends and gives a maneuver.Isn't there a way to have a one rule for this type of cards. Because right now we have two card working very similar and the ruling is different.
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