DI against a Combat Card with Infernal Pursuit active
10 Dec 2019 21:52 #98212
by Hakuron
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DI against a Combat Card with Infernal Pursuit active was created by Hakuron
Maybe very simple question, but I want to be sure ...
Name: Infernal Pursuit
[cel] Press.
[CEL] For the remainder of the combat, each time you replace a card (including when you draw to replace this card), draw an additional card and discard down to your hand size.
Name: Direct Intervention
Cost: 1 pool
Master: out-of-turn.
Cancel a minion card as it is played. No cost is paid. (If it was an action card, the acting minion doesn't lock. If it was a strike card, the minion chooses another strike.)
Combat. Player A has superior Infernal Pursuit active. A plays a maneuver card (without any restrictive clauses). B plays DI on that.
Does A draw an addititional card with the replacement for the card DI-ed?
(Card texts suppose so, but it feels a bit strange.)
Thanks in advance!
Name: Infernal Pursuit
[cel] Press.
[CEL] For the remainder of the combat, each time you replace a card (including when you draw to replace this card), draw an additional card and discard down to your hand size.
Name: Direct Intervention
Cost: 1 pool
Master: out-of-turn.
Cancel a minion card as it is played. No cost is paid. (If it was an action card, the acting minion doesn't lock. If it was a strike card, the minion chooses another strike.)
Combat. Player A has superior Infernal Pursuit active. A plays a maneuver card (without any restrictive clauses). B plays DI on that.
Does A draw an addititional card with the replacement for the card DI-ed?
(Card texts suppose so, but it feels a bit strange.)
Thanks in advance!

National Coordinator Germany
nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
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10 Dec 2019 23:32 #98213
by jamesatzephyr
The only precedent I can find is this hyper-weird thread on Watenda , where LSJ rules no, and then there's a really weird discussion of various other cards, with a reversal of a subsequent ruling on Do Not Replace cards. And it's complicated by the fact that play-cancel-replace hasn't been hammered out at the time, and other effects can be fit into the window at that time (they can't now, by explicit rulebook text).
Had I not seen that thread, I'd have said "Sure, draw an extra card - you're replacing it, even if it's been cancelled." But that thread confuses me.
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Combat. Player A has superior Infernal Pursuit active. A plays a maneuver card (without any restrictive clauses). B plays DI on that.
Does A draw an addititional card with the replacement for the card DI-ed?
The only precedent I can find is this hyper-weird thread on Watenda , where LSJ rules no, and then there's a really weird discussion of various other cards, with a reversal of a subsequent ruling on Do Not Replace cards. And it's complicated by the fact that play-cancel-replace hasn't been hammered out at the time, and other effects can be fit into the window at that time (they can't now, by explicit rulebook text).
Had I not seen that thread, I'd have said "Sure, draw an extra card - you're replacing it, even if it's been cancelled." But that thread confuses me.
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11 Dec 2019 01:17 #98214
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic DI against a Combat Card with Infernal Pursuit active
Well, the initial question is about canceling the Infernal Pursuit, which means that the LSJ ruling makes sense: you don't get the additional draw.
I don't really see anything on point to the poster's question.
I agree with jamesatzephyr's take though: you would draw a replacement immediately (even for a card with a DNR, such as Groundfighting) when the card is canceled. Per card text on Infernal Pursuit, you would also need to draw an additional card.
I don't really see anything on point to the poster's question.
I agree with jamesatzephyr's take though: you would draw a replacement immediately (even for a card with a DNR, such as Groundfighting) when the card is canceled. Per card text on Infernal Pursuit, you would also need to draw an additional card.
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11 Dec 2019 07:54 - 11 Dec 2019 07:54 #98215
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic DI against a Combat Card with Infernal Pursuit active
Yes. The maneuver card is replaced after being cancelled, so you draw an additional card.Combat. Player A has superior Infernal Pursuit active. A plays a maneuver card (without any restrictive clauses). B plays DI on that.
Does A draw an addititional card with the replacement for the card DI-ed?
And this still stands.Well, the initial question is about canceling the Infernal Pursuit, which means that the LSJ ruling makes sense: you don't get the additional draw.
Last edit: 11 Dec 2019 07:54 by Ankha.
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11 Dec 2019 22:14 #98219
by jamesatzephyr
Oh, of course. I thought I was missing something, but hadn't clocked that my ability to read the question was completely missing the point.
(I think I had managed to blur Watenda's special having extra text to do with strike cards as being that Watenda only cancels strike cards, which obviously isn't the case, and therefore mis-read the question.)
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Well, the initial question is about canceling the Infernal Pursuit, which means that the LSJ ruling makes sense: you don't get the additional draw.
Oh, of course. I thought I was missing something, but hadn't clocked that my ability to read the question was completely missing the point.
(I think I had managed to blur Watenda's special having extra text to do with strike cards as being that Watenda only cancels strike cards, which obviously isn't the case, and therefore mis-read the question.)
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12 Dec 2019 05:41 - 12 Dec 2019 05:44 #98220
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic DI against a Combat Card with Infernal Pursuit active
It does not have to. Infernal Pursuit does not care about cards being played, it cares about them leaving your hand and being replaced. It works on cards played, on weapons equipped with Concealed Weapon, on cards discarded by Barrens or to cancel a Target Vitals,... For DI to mess with it, it would have to put the cancelled card back in your hand, reduce your hand size or do something else that explicitly prevents you from drawing back.(Card texts suppose so, but it feels a bit strange.)
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