Draba timing
07 Jun 2020 12:18 #100041
by lip
Draba timing was created by lip
Situation: A → B → C
A plays Magic of the Smith
at 3 stealth, B has a locked Prince and a Second Tradition: Domain in hand.
Must B declare wether he attempts (using Second Tradition) or declines to block before C has a chance to play Draba
? Can he wait to see if C plays Draba and only use his Second Tradition in this case ?
Relevant ruling (maybe): [PIB 20150820] .
Bonus questions:
- Does the same timing apply for C to use an inferior
Draba on A's vampire ?
- Does the same timing apply to Ignis Fatuus at inferior
and superior
?
The situation happened in game and we were curious to see if B had to commit and trust the Ravnos player, which is not the same as waiting for after he plays the card.
[Action/Reaction][1B]
+1 stealth action. Ⓓ Put this card on a ready minion. You still control this card. Burn this card to reduce that minion's stealth to 0. The minion may still increase his or her stealth.
Reduce the acting minion's stealth to 0. The minion may still increase his or her stealth.
[Reaction]
Requires a prince or justicar.
+2 intercept. Also usable by a locked prince or justicar, even if intercept is not yet needed, to burn 1 blood to unlock and attempt to block with +2 intercept.
[Reaction][1B]
The acting minion gets -1 stealth for the remainder of the turn.
Reduce a bleed against any Methuselah by 1.
[Action][1B]
+1 stealth action.
Search your library for an equipment card and equip this acting vampire with it (requirements and cost apply as normal). Shuffle afterward.
As above, but this is a +3 stealth action.
A plays Magic of the Smith

Must B declare wether he attempts (using Second Tradition) or declines to block before C has a chance to play Draba

Relevant ruling (maybe): [PIB 20150820] .
Bonus questions:
- Does the same timing apply for C to use an inferior

- Does the same timing apply to Ignis Fatuus at inferior


The situation happened in game and we were curious to see if B had to commit and trust the Ravnos player, which is not the same as waiting for after he plays the card.
Draba
[Action/Reaction][1B]


Second Tradition: Domain
[Reaction]
Requires a prince or justicar.
+2 intercept. Also usable by a locked prince or justicar, even if intercept is not yet needed, to burn 1 blood to unlock and attempt to block with +2 intercept.
Ignis Fatuus
[Reaction][1B]


Magic of the Smith
[Action][1B]
+1 stealth action.


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07 Jun 2020 14:40 #100043
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Draba timing
If B declines to block, the decision is final, unless the action changes targets.
So B needs to attempt to block first. Impulse goes back to A, then B (who is lacking the intercept but still attempting to block), then C who can play Draba.
Whether the action is blocked or not (by comparing stealth and intercept) is determined only when everyone has passed the impulse.
So B needs to attempt to block first. Impulse goes back to A, then B (who is lacking the intercept but still attempting to block), then C who can play Draba.
Whether the action is blocked or not (by comparing stealth and intercept) is determined only when everyone has passed the impulse.
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16 Jan 2021 12:34 #101444
by beslin igor
Replied by beslin igor on topic Draba timing
So in teory :
Situation: A → B → C
A plays Magic of the Smith
at 3 stealth, B has unlocked minion,0 intercept,B can ask player C do you have Draba to help me,if C say: yes I have and want to play,B can declare atempt to block even with 0 intercept and him expect to C play Draba when C get impulse?
Situation: A → B → C
A plays Magic of the Smith

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18 Jan 2021 07:50 #101454
by Snodig
Replied by Snodig on topic Draba timing
Yes. There is nothing stopping you from declaring an attempt to block while you do not have enough intercept. Technically, you do this all the time. You cannot play intercept you do not need, so in order to meet that requirement you must attempt to block with insufficient intercept.
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