Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
26 Nov 2020 02:02 #101153
by lordofventrue
Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise? was created by lordofventrue
Can Eagle's Sight be used after playing Black Sunrise?
Name: Black Sunrise
[KMW:C, LotN:PA3, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Quietus
Only usable by a locked vampire.
[qui] Only usable during a
action against you (or a card you control). This vampire unlocks and attempts to block.
[QUI] As above, but usable during any action.
Artist: Beth Trott
Name: Eagle's Sight
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U, BH:PM3, LoB:PO2, Third:PTz2, KoT:U/PT3, SP:PwN2]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Auspex
[aus] +1 intercept.
[AUS] This vampire attempts to block the current action, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions.
Artist: Larry MacDougall; Chris Stevens
Name: Black Sunrise
[KMW:C, LotN:PA3, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Quietus
Only usable by a locked vampire.
[qui] Only usable during a

[QUI] As above, but usable during any action.
Artist: Beth Trott
Name: Eagle's Sight
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U, BH:PM3, LoB:PO2, Third:PTz2, KoT:U/PT3, SP:PwN2]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Auspex
[aus] +1 intercept.
[AUS] This vampire attempts to block the current action, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions.
Artist: Larry MacDougall; Chris Stevens
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26 Nov 2020 06:53 #101154
by Yomyael
Prince of Bonn, Germany
Replied by Yomyael on topic Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
In principle, yes.
But: you cannot play Black Sunrise if the vampire is not allowed to block the current action (e.g. because it is directed at someone else), because Black Sunrise would force the vampire to do something that isn't allowed.
But: you cannot play Black Sunrise if the vampire is not allowed to block the current action (e.g. because it is directed at someone else), because Black Sunrise would force the vampire to do something that isn't allowed.
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26 Nov 2020 08:17 - 26 Nov 2020 08:19 #101155
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
Yomyael is correct.
So if your vampire is locked and you want to block an action you could not normally block (for instance, your prey is rescuing a vampire from your predator in torpor), you cannot play Black Sunrise in the first place.
But if your predator were bleeding you, you could play Black Sunrise to attempt to block, and play Eagle Sight at superior to allow you to block (redundantly, but to cycle a card).
So if your vampire is locked and you want to block an action you could not normally block (for instance, your prey is rescuing a vampire from your predator in torpor), you cannot play Black Sunrise in the first place.
But if your predator were bleeding you, you could play Black Sunrise to attempt to block, and play Eagle Sight at superior to allow you to block (redundantly, but to cycle a card).
Last edit: 26 Nov 2020 08:19 by Ankha.
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26 Nov 2020 14:19 #101156
by lordofventrue
Replied by lordofventrue on topic Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
What about the Superior, which says any action?
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26 Nov 2020 14:39 #101157
by Yomyael
Prince of Bonn, Germany
Replied by Yomyael on topic Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
The "any action" part of Black Sunrise is a bit misleading. It is intended to only override the "d action" part, not general restricitions, c.f. www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76748-black-sunrise#88361
And because Black Sunrise would force you to block, you cannot play it if you are not allowed to block.
And because Black Sunrise would force you to block, you cannot play it if you are not allowed to block.
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26 Nov 2020 15:13 #101158
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Can Eagle sight be use after playing black sunrise?
To be clear....the thing that prevents the Black Sunrise (beside the intended design) from being able to be used even if played at superior is the fact that it lacks the explicit text allowing you to overrule the base rule of what you are allowed to react to/block which is there in the Eagle´s Sight...the any action as mentioned only expands the inferior option without overruling the valid targets set by the base rules.
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