House of Sorrows & Bleding the Vine - Timing questions		
	
	
			
	
						21 Mar 2021 23:02		 -  21 Mar 2021 23:04		#101899
		by Hobbesgoblin
	
	
		
			
			
	
	
			 		
													
		
				Could you use the "House of Sorrow" during a "as a card is played" window, to unlock a "Bleeding the vine" to use the Vine to cancel a Master card?
	
		
			
		
		
			
	
	
		
			
		
		
			
	
			
					
			Bleeding the Vine		
		
				Unique master.
Put this card into play. During your unlock phase, lock this card or burn 1 pool. You may lock this card to cancel a non-out-of-turn master card played by another Methuselah as that card is played. That card has no effect (no cost is paid), and that Methuselah gains another master phase action.
		Put this card into play. During your unlock phase, lock this card or burn 1 pool. You may lock this card to cancel a non-out-of-turn master card played by another Methuselah as that card is played. That card has no effect (no cost is paid), and that Methuselah gains another master phase action.
			House of Sorrow		
		
				Master: unique location.
Lock to unlock any card you control that is not a minion. If you do so, neither that card nor this location unlock as normal on your next unlock phase.
		Lock to unlock any card you control that is not a minion. If you do so, neither that card nor this location unlock as normal on your next unlock phase.
		Last edit: 21 Mar 2021 23:04  by Hobbesgoblin.			
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						21 Mar 2021 23:09		 -  21 Mar 2021 23:12		#101900
		by lip
	
	
		
			
				
No, no effect other than wake and cancel effects can be played during the "as a card.is played" window. See for example The Erciyes Fragments' ruling:
More to the point, it's now in the rulebook: www.vekn.net/rulebook#playing-a-card
					
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by lip on topic House of Sorrows & Bleding the Vine - Timing questions			
			Could you use the "House of Sorrow" during a "as a card is played" window, to unlock a "Bleeding the vine" to use the Vine to cancel a Master card?
No, no effect other than wake and cancel effects can be played during the "as a card.is played" window. See for example The Erciyes Fragments' ruling:
Cannot be used when a card is played to draw a card that would cancel it "as it is played". [RTR 20040501]
More to the point, it's now in the rulebook: www.vekn.net/rulebook#playing-a-card
Some effects can cancel a card “as it is played.” These effects, as well as wake effects, are the only effects allowed during the “as played” time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards, comes after this time period.
		Last edit: 21 Mar 2021 23:12  by lip.			
	
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						22 Mar 2021 12:59				#101909
		by Whisker
	
	
		
			
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Whisker on topic House of Sorrows & Bleding the Vine - Timing questions			
			
				It's still quite a nice combo, you get free use of the Vine every other turn.			
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