Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup		
	
	
			
	
						08 Jun 2021 00:44				#102411
		by kschaefer
	
	
		
			
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup was created by kschaefer			
			
				From my standpoint as a judge, the Atlantic Cup ran very smoothly overall.  Phoenix's archon bot made managing the event easy.  There were only two rules issues that occurred that I'd like to bring up here for confirmation and/or discussion.
First:
Attempting to play Liquidation with less than 7 cards in the library. Per previous rulings, I disallowed this action. However at 2019 Origins, I believe this question arose and I could not find any further evidence of a subsequent ruling after that event. There was some discussion that the remaining cards would be burned, but the pool would not be gained. I would appreciate a confirmation of the LSJ ruling .
Liquidation
	
		
			
		
		
			
				
Do not replace until your discard phase.
Burn 7 cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool.
		
	
Second:
This is only an issue possible in an online event. There was a disconnect after the last save and after Nicomedes special was used. I had the player grab all of the cards that were played before the disconnect (and after the use of the special), put everything else into the library, shuffle, and draw the remaining cards. This seemed like the fairest way to handle the problem. The played cards were public knowledge and everyone can agree those were drawn. As for everything else, a new random draw prevents bad recollection of the hand and simply puts new random cards in place of the old random cards (from the first draw prior to the disconnect).
Nicomedes
	
		
			
		
		
			
	
Any thoughts, advice, or recommendations on how to improve that approach for future online events or is that good enough?
					First:
Attempting to play Liquidation with less than 7 cards in the library. Per previous rulings, I disallowed this action. However at 2019 Origins, I believe this question arose and I could not find any further evidence of a subsequent ruling after that event. There was some discussion that the remaining cards would be burned, but the pool would not be gained. I would appreciate a confirmation of the LSJ ruling .
Liquidation
			Warning: Spoiler!		
		Do not replace until your discard phase.
Burn 7 cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool.
Second:
This is only an issue possible in an online event. There was a disconnect after the last save and after Nicomedes special was used. I had the player grab all of the cards that were played before the disconnect (and after the use of the special), put everything else into the library, shuffle, and draw the remaining cards. This seemed like the fairest way to handle the problem. The played cards were public knowledge and everyone can agree those were drawn. As for everything else, a new random draw prevents bad recollection of the hand and simply puts new random cards in place of the old random cards (from the first draw prior to the disconnect).
Nicomedes
			Warning: Spoiler!		
		
				Sabbat: During your turn, Nicomedes can burn 1 blood to shuffle your hand into your library (draw up afterward). Black Hand.			
		Any thoughts, advice, or recommendations on how to improve that approach for future online events or is that good enough?
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						08 Jun 2021 04:20				#102412
		by Lönkka
	
	
		
			
				
Inquisitive minds want to know more!
							
					
					
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Lönkka on topic Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup			
			Archon bot!Phoenix's archon bot made managing the event easy.
Inquisitive minds want to know more!
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						08 Jun 2021 13:00				#102420
		by lip
	
	
		
			
	
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by lip on topic Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup			
			
				You had to be there 
Basically a bot that handles registration, seating, results reports and all that. Plus a bunch of useful commands for the judges.
It is still very much a beta - I have to polish and streamline it a bit before I make it public and you can all use it in your Discord servers. In a few weeks hopefully.
					Basically a bot that handles registration, seating, results reports and all that. Plus a bunch of useful commands for the judges.
It is still very much a beta - I have to polish and streamline it a bit before I make it public and you can all use it in your Discord servers. In a few weeks hopefully.
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						08 Jun 2021 13:57				#102424
		by Ankha
	
	
		
			
				
							
					
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Ankha on topic Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup			
			Correct. It's a cost. You cannot play the card if you cannot pay the cost.Attempting to play Liquidation with less than 7 cards in the library. Per previous rulings, I disallowed this action.
It still stands.However at 2019 Origins, I believe this question arose and I could not find any further evidence of a subsequent ruling after that event.
Incorrect.There was some discussion that the remaining cards would be burned, but the pool would not be gained.
It is confirmed.I would appreciate a confirmation of the LSJ ruling .
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						09 Jun 2021 08:52				#102438
		by Lönkka
	
	
		
			
				
Awesome, sounds just great!
							
					
					
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Lönkka on topic Rules Issues from the Atlantic Cup			
			Basically a bot that handles registration, seating, results reports and all that. Plus a bunch of useful commands for the judges.
It is still very much a beta - I have to polish and streamline it a bit before I make it public and you can all use it in your Discord servers. In a few weeks hopefully.
Awesome, sounds just great!
Finnish  
  Politics!
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