Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
08 May 2022 08:02 - 08 May 2022 18:28 #105209
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
Possible scenarios (i think it cover all);
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Unique. Requires a vampire with capacity 10 or more. Only usable after resolution of a successful bleed against your prey.
Put this card on this vampire. This vampire gets +1 bleed. During any Methuselah's minion phase, this vampire can lock this card to take an action.
Cardtype: Master
Clan: Malkavian
Unique master.
Put this card in play. Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase (follow normal sequencing rules). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any unlocked Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block.
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate
Only usable by a ready, unlocked vampire other than the acting minion who is capable of performing the action. Not usable if any action modifiers or other effects have been used that could not have been used if this vampire were the acting vampire. Unlock the acting minion and lock this vampire instead. The action continues with this vampire as the acting minion.
As above, with +1 stealth.
- Enkil Cog (only on the acting vampire) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
Cannot be masked because;- Enkil Cog only provides the ability to act on another Methuselah's minion phase to the vampire it is on by card text "this vampire can lock this card to take an action".
- Mask of a Thousand Faces isn´t playable as the effect of Enkil Cog doesn't carry over to the masking vampire who fails the condition "Only usable by a ... vampire ... who is capable of performing the action.".
Enkil Cog (both vampires having one) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
Cannot be masked because;Same reasons as for nr 1Enkil Cog cannot be used during another action as it declares an action.
- Enkil Cog (only on the acting non-Malkavian vampire) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces (by a Malkavian while Madness Network is in play)
Cannot be masked because;- Enkil Cog only provides its effect to the vampire it is on by card text "this vampire can ...".
- Mask of a Thousand Faces isn´t playable as the effect of Enkil Cog doesn't carry over to the masking vampire who fails the condition "Not usable if any ... effects have been used that could not have been used if this vampire were the acting vampire.".
- Even though Enkil Cog and Madness Network provide a similar ability to act during other Methuselah´s minion phase they are NOT the same effect in regards to the condition of Mask of a Thousand Faces.
- Madness Network (only acting is Malkavian) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
Cannot be masked because;- Madness Network while in play only grant Malkavians the ability to act during other Methuselahs minion phase by card text "Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase".
- Mask of a Thousand Faces isn´t playable as the effect of Madness Network doesn't carry over to the masking vampire who fails the condition "Only usable by a ... vampire ... who is capable of performing the action.
- Madness Network (only acting is Malkavian) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces (by a vampire with Enkil Cog)
Cannot be masked because;- Same reasons as for nr 4.
- Enkil Cog cannot be used during another action as it declares an action.
- Madness Network (both being Malkavian) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
Can be masked because;- Madness Network while in play provides all Malkavians the inherent ability to be allowed to act during other Methuselah´s minion phases.
- The conditions of Mask of a Thousand Faces can be fully met.
Enkil Cog
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Unique. Requires a vampire with capacity 10 or more. Only usable after resolution of a successful bleed against your prey.
Put this card on this vampire. This vampire gets +1 bleed. During any Methuselah's minion phase, this vampire can lock this card to take an action.
Madness Network
Cardtype: Master
Clan: Malkavian
Unique master.
Put this card in play. Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase (follow normal sequencing rules). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any unlocked Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block.
Mask of a Thousand Faces
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate


Last edit: 08 May 2022 18:28 by inm8.
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08 May 2022 08:12 #105210
by inm8
The text "Only usable by a ready, unlocked vampire other than the acting minion who is capable of performing the action." only refers to the ability to be able to perform the action it would modify and doesn´t make any reference about acting during another action which is enabled by the nature of that the card is an action modifier... that would lead not to taking a new action during another action but to take over the modified action.
Replied by inm8 on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
If you wanted to be pedantic you could argue that no vampires are capable of performing an action while another vamp is acting. "able to currently act" as a condition would render mask non functional.
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The text "Only usable by a ready, unlocked vampire other than the acting minion who is capable of performing the action." only refers to the ability to be able to perform the action it would modify and doesn´t make any reference about acting during another action which is enabled by the nature of that the card is an action modifier... that would lead not to taking a new action during another action but to take over the modified action.
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08 May 2022 08:45 #105211
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
Enkil Cog is unique.Possible scenarios (i think it cover all);
Enkil Cog (both vampires having one) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
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08 May 2022 08:57 #105213
by inm8
Overlooked the obvious, updated the scenarios
Replied by inm8 on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
Enkil Cog is unique.Possible scenarios (i think it cover all);
Enkil Cog (both vampires having one) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
Overlooked the obvious, updated the scenarios
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08 May 2022 11:48 - 08 May 2022 11:49 #105215
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
No. No other vampire can make usage of Enkil Cog.I suspect the answer is going to be "No" but it's worth getting it in black and white.
Can a out-of-turn Enkil cog action be modified by Mask of a thousand faces?
Yes.Is being able act during the current turn part of being "capable of performing the action"
No. It's an action permitted by Enkil Cog. Only the vampire attached to Enkil Cog can use it.Folloup question, for more edgcecases: If there is a "Malkavian Madness network" in play, could a Malkavian (of the same controller) take over the action with mask of a thousand faces, of a minion acting via enkil cog?
Last edit: 08 May 2022 11:49 by Ankha.
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08 May 2022 11:52 #105216
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Enkil Cog and Mask of a thousand faces
Yes, that's the only scenario where a vampire can mask another vampire's out-of-turn action.Possible scenarios (i think it cover all);
6. Madness Network (both being Malkavian) action + Mask of a Thousand Faces
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