Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
11 Aug 2022 02:12 #105936
by kschaefer
Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony was created by kschaefer
This actually came up in our game tonight. We have two vampires, who have played Fee Stake: Perth, and are now contesting the title. Can you take the action to burn Fee Stake: Perth, the action provided by the card.
I ruled that the vote could be called because contesting the title does not put Fee Stake: Perth out of play and the action on Fee Stake: Perth is "Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action." Since the card is still in play, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to burn it.
Name: Fee Stake: Perth
ADVANCED RULES
Contested Titles
I ruled that the vote could be called because contesting the title does not put Fee Stake: Perth out of play and the action on Fee Stake: Perth is "Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action." Since the card is still in play, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to burn it.
Name: Fee Stake: Perth
Warning: Spoiler!
Cardtype: Action
Requires a ready anarch with capacity above 4. +1 stealth action. Title.
Put this card on the acting anarch to represent the unique anarch title of Baron of Perth. This may lead to a contested title. Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. In that referendum, non-anarch titles are worth 1 fewer votes.
Requires a ready anarch with capacity above 4. +1 stealth action. Title.
Put this card on the acting anarch to represent the unique anarch title of Baron of Perth. This may lead to a contested title. Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. In that referendum, non-anarch titles are worth 1 fewer votes.
ADVANCED RULES
Contested Titles
Warning: Spoiler!
Some titles are unique. For example, there
can be only one prince or baron of a particular
city (see Vampiric Sects, p. 39). If more than
one vampire in play claims the same title,
then the title is contested. While the title is
being contested, the vampires involved in the
contest are treated as if they have no title, but
they remain controlled and may act and block
as normal.
The cost to contest a title is 1 blood, which is
paid by the vampire during each of their unlock
phases. Instead of paying the cost to contest
the title, the vampire may choose to yield the
title (or may be forced to yield, if they have no
blood to pay). Only ready vampires can contest
titles. Vampires in torpor must yield during the
unlock phase.
If all other vampires contesting a title with your
vampire have yielded the contest, then your
vampire acquires the title during your next
unlock phase, ending the contest.
The vampire yielding the title will now have
no title and loses the benefits of the title for
the remainder of the game.
can be only one prince or baron of a particular
city (see Vampiric Sects, p. 39). If more than
one vampire in play claims the same title,
then the title is contested. While the title is
being contested, the vampires involved in the
contest are treated as if they have no title, but
they remain controlled and may act and block
as normal.
The cost to contest a title is 1 blood, which is
paid by the vampire during each of their unlock
phases. Instead of paying the cost to contest
the title, the vampire may choose to yield the
title (or may be forced to yield, if they have no
blood to pay). Only ready vampires can contest
titles. Vampires in torpor must yield during the
unlock phase.
If all other vampires contesting a title with your
vampire have yielded the contest, then your
vampire acquires the title during your next
unlock phase, ending the contest.
The vampire yielding the title will now have
no title and loses the benefits of the title for
the remainder of the game.
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11 Aug 2022 05:41 #105937
by inm8
No, it is a title card. It is out of play while the title is contested. [LSJ 20070808] is applicable.
Replied by inm8 on topic Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
Can you take the action to burn Fee Stake: Perth, the action provided by the card.
No, it is a title card. It is out of play while the title is contested. [LSJ 20070808] is applicable.
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11 Aug 2022 19:23 #105943
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
Thanks for finding that. I was unable to find anything relevant. However, that feels like a ruling that should move into the rulebook.
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12 Aug 2022 00:49 #105944
by ruiza97
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Replied by ruiza97 on topic Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
Contested cards are considered not in play. Not sure what more can be said or written.
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12 Aug 2022 02:09 #105945
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
You don't flip over a vampire for contesting an inherent title. Why is it obvious you would flip over a non-unique card representing the title?
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12 Aug 2022 06:05 #105947
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Burning a contested Fee Stake Barony
I agree that it is not obvious.
With that said the important part here is not that is a title contest but that it is a title provided by the card itself which is what make it go out of play if that title is contested.
With that said the important part here is not that is a title contest but that it is a title provided by the card itself which is what make it go out of play if that title is contested.
*highlight by me
Fee Stake: Perth
Cardtype: Action
Requires a ready anarch with capacity above 4. +1 stealth action. Title.
Put this card on the acting anarch to represent the unique anarch title of Baron of Perth. This may lead to a contested title. Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. In that referendum, non-anarch titles are worth 1 fewer votes.
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