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10 Jan 2023 19:19 - 10 Jan 2023 19:57 #107175
by Hobbesgoblin
Does canceling a Maneuver from a card like aid form bats cancel the entire card, or is only the maneuver canceled, and the strike still locked on?
There seem to be two possibly conflicting rulings on this:
LSJ20050228 suggests that only the maneuver is canceled and the strike is still locked in, but technically only is about rigor mortis vs magnum and co.
RTR20040501 says if a strike is canceled, the entire strike card (if any) is cancelled, including all other (simultaneous or future) effects.
This is of course not about maneuver cancelling directly, but about strike cancelling cancelling a future maneuver or press.
In general, in the discord we felt that these rulings are possibly in conflict, and would like a resolution/update/new ruling about this.
There seem to be two possibly conflicting rulings on this:
LSJ20050228 suggests that only the maneuver is canceled and the strike is still locked in, but technically only is about rigor mortis vs magnum and co.
RTR20040501 says if a strike is canceled, the entire strike card (if any) is cancelled, including all other (simultaneous or future) effects.
This is of course not about maneuver cancelling directly, but about strike cancelling cancelling a future maneuver or press.
In general, in the discord we felt that these rulings are possibly in conflict, and would like a resolution/update/new ruling about this.
Last edit: 10 Jan 2023 19:57 by Hobbesgoblin.
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11 Jan 2023 13:39 - 11 Jan 2023 13:41 #107178
by KoRneeshon
Replied by KoRneeshon on topic Rigor Mortis and Aid from bats (and other Manuver + strike cards)
AFAIK, with Rigor Mortis on THA, you simply cancel a maneuver, no matter the source - it can come from .44 Magnums, for example. So in your example, you just cancel one of the effects of the strike, it doesn't interfere with Aid from Bats in any other way.
If you cancel (e.g. with Primal Insticts) the whole strike, on the other hand, all of its effects are cancelled. Furthermore, if you used AfB to maneuver and then cancel your AfB with PI, you cannot choose another strike, as you are committed to use AfB's strike - as explained in RTR20040501.
If you cancel (e.g. with Primal Insticts) the whole strike, on the other hand, all of its effects are cancelled. Furthermore, if you used AfB to maneuver and then cancel your AfB with PI, you cannot choose another strike, as you are committed to use AfB's strike - as explained in RTR20040501.
Last edit: 11 Jan 2023 13:41 by KoRneeshon.
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11 Jan 2023 13:52 #107179
by Ankha
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The latter.Does canceling a Maneuver from a card like aid form bats cancel the entire card, or is only the maneuver canceled, and the strike still locked on?
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11 Jan 2023 17:45 #107180
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Rigor Mortis and Aid from bats (and other Manuver + strike cards)
Why is this logically different than canceling a strike?
Why does canceling a maneuver that is attached to other (future) things, not also cancel those things?
If the strike is canceled, the rest of the effect is also canceled. [RTR 20040501]
Why does canceling a maneuver that is attached to other (future) things, not also cancel those things?
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11 Jan 2023 18:47 #107181
by Ankha
Because you're using a maneuver provided by a strike, not a strike provided by a maneuver.
Replied by Ankha on topic Rigor Mortis and Aid from bats (and other Manuver + strike cards)
Why is this logically different than canceling a strike?
If the strike is canceled, the rest of the effect is also canceled. [RTR 20040501]
Why does canceling a maneuver that is attached to other (future) things, not also cancel those things?
Because you're using a maneuver provided by a strike, not a strike provided by a maneuver.
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12 Jan 2023 14:43 #107189
by self biased
is there a card where the strike is provided by a maneuver?
Replied by self biased on topic Rigor Mortis and Aid from bats (and other Manuver + strike cards)
Because you're using a maneuver provided by a strike, not a strike provided by a maneuver.
is there a card where the strike is provided by a maneuver?
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