Yawp Court and Rötschreck
19 Jan 2023 06:53 #107218
by Oscilator
Yawp Court and Rötschreck was created by Oscilator
What is the outcome of playing Rötschreck on the acting vampire during a combat from Yawp Court? The rulings make it clear that there is no referendum, but does the other vampire burn 2 blood?
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19 Jan 2023 08:39 - 19 Jan 2023 12:59 #107219
by inm8
You say that there is no referendum which insinuates that the acting vampire is no longer ready (sent to torpor by Rötschreck) which if it is the case there is no blood burning to do for the Yawp´ing vampire as the acting vampire isn´t ready which is the requiered state that is checked for it to trigger.
Cardtype: Master
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Sabbat vampire.
When a political action is successful, before the referendum, lock this card and a ready unlocked Sabbat vampire you control to have that vampire enter combat with the acting vampire. If the acting vampire is still ready at the end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 damage, and the referendum is conducted as normal.
Cardtype: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is locked and sent to torpor. This vampire does not unlock as normal. During this vampire's next unlock phase, burn this card.
Replied by inm8 on topic Yawp Court and Rötschreck
What is the outcome of playing Rötschreck on the acting vampire during a combat from Yawp Court? The rulings make it clear that there is no referendum, but does the other vampire burn 2 blood?
Yawp Court
Cardtype: Master
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Sabbat vampire.
When a political action is successful, before the referendum, lock this card and a ready unlocked Sabbat vampire you control to have that vampire enter combat with the acting vampire. If the acting vampire is still ready at the end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 damage, and the referendum is conducted as normal.
Rötschreck
Cardtype: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is locked and sent to torpor. This vampire does not unlock as normal. During this vampire's next unlock phase, burn this card.
Last edit: 19 Jan 2023 12:59 by inm8.
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19 Jan 2023 11:32 #107220
by Oscilator
Replied by Oscilator on topic Yawp Court and Rötschreck
I only quoted the ruling. The reason for cancelation of the referendum might be different. The idea is that Rötschreck would have separate effects in succession. First combat ends and then the vampire is sent to torpor. That means the vampire is still ready at the end of the combat, fulfilling Yawp Court's condition and burning 2 blood. The referendum however doesn't take place because the vampire is no longer ready for the remainder of the action.
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19 Jan 2023 13:04 - 19 Jan 2023 14:47 #107221
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Yawp Court and Rötschreck
My previous answer was incorrect as I didn't focus on the timing of things....now that the question is much clearer I can confirm that you are absolutely right in your understanding.
This ruling [LSJ 20080821] confirms your understanding... the damaging effect of Yawp Court does trigger prior to the acting vampire going to torpor from Rötschreck and the referendum is canceled
This ruling [LSJ 20080821] confirms your understanding... the damaging effect of Yawp Court does trigger prior to the acting vampire going to torpor from Rötschreck and the referendum is canceled
Last edit: 19 Jan 2023 14:47 by inm8.
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