file Uncoiling and Dragonbound

11 Feb 2023 21:17 #107371 by Thalco
Howdy, folks.

I'm just wondering about timing on Dragonbound. If a player has The Uncoiling in hand, can they play The Uncoiling and blow up Dragonbound before losing the pool? Or are they unable to play a card until they've resolved existing effects? I'm on the assumption that Dragonbound counts as mandatory.

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11 Feb 2023 21:30 #107372 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Uncoiling and Dragonbound
It's always better with the cardtexts.

Name: Dragonbound
[Gehenna:R, LotN:PA, HttB:PSal, SP:DoF1]
Cardtype: Event
Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
During each Methuselah's discard phase, that Methuselah burns 1 pool for each vampire in torpor they control.

Name: The Uncoiling
[SoC:R]
Cardtype: Event
Event. Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
During your discard phase, burn one other event at random. Any other Methuselah may use a discard phase action and burn X pool to burn this card, where X is the number of other events in play.

Both effects happen "during the discard phase", so you can order them the way to want and burn an event at random first, then resolve the effect of Dragonbound if it's still in play (if not, there's nothing left to resolve).

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11 Feb 2023 23:12 #107376 by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Uncoiling and Dragonbound
Sorry if it is me being thick here,

The question is about whether The Uncoiling can be played from hand to then use its effect to burn Dragonbound that is in play (assuming it is the only other event in play for it to be a certainty) and avoid the need to burn pool for vampires in torpor (all in the same discard phase)....not sure that this was the question that was answered?!?!

Does the above ruling mean that playing a card (an event) and dealing with the "during discard phase" effects are orderable?

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12 Feb 2023 00:43 - 12 Feb 2023 09:07 #107377 by Hobbesgoblin
Always has been.

It is the same as in the master phase, you can use your blood doll, and then use the newly gained pool to pay for a mater card.

even better example: you can play a blood doll and immedeatly use it. liek you can play uncoiling and immideatly use it.

playing an Event is a discard pahse action, discard pahse actions are taken during the discard phase, and this is therefore ordable inside other effects during the discard phase

for an effect to be "non-orderable" it must have explicit language like "at the beginning of" or "at the end of"

and even then, if you have several effects at these specific windows, these are then orderable within that time frame.
Last edit: 12 Feb 2023 09:07 by Hobbesgoblin.

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12 Feb 2023 08:14 - 12 Feb 2023 08:15 #107379 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Uncoiling and Dragonbound

Sorry if it is me being thick here,

The question is about whether The Uncoiling can be played from hand to then use its effect to burn Dragonbound that is in play (assuming it is the only other event in play for it to be a certainty) and avoid the need to burn pool for vampires in torpor (all in the same discard phase)....not sure that this was the question that was answered?!?!

Does the above ruling mean that playing a card (an event) and dealing with the "during discard phase" effects are orderable?

Yes, they both follow the sequencing rule:

"At every stage, the acting Methuselah always has the opportunity to play the next card or effect."

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Last edit: 12 Feb 2023 08:15 by Ankha.
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