file Mask of a Thousand Faces and Venenation

21 Jun 2023 18:56 - 21 Jun 2023 20:33 #108418 by inm8
Is the below ruling that Mask of a Thousand Faces can be played after being blocked before block resolution valid?
In my opinion, it comes across as incorrect and contradicts the rules.

Modifiers are if not stated by explicit text only playable any time before action resolution. When the action is blocked the action has reached resolution and "before action resolution" doesn't include when being "at" or "after" action resolution.
Cards that are playable after reaching action resolution but before block resolution need to have the explicit text "Only usable if this minion is blocked, before block resolution." which MoaTF doesn´t.

The needed text at the time of the ruling used to be "Only usable when this acting minion is blocked, before combat begins." which doesn´t change anything for MoaTF


[LSJ 20010803]
KRCG text:
Can be used after the action is blocked and before the block resolution (eg. Venenation can be played both before and after).


[LSJ 20060828]
LSJ wrote:
Action Modifiers and Reaction cards generally can be played
only before action resolution. Explicit card text ("after blocking" or
"during a referendum") is needed to overcome that. (Or being a Wake).


Action modifier cards: The acting minion can play these cards to modify their action at any time before action resolution. A minion cannot play the same action modifier card more than once during a single action (even if using a different Discipline level).


3. Resolve the Action
[...]
If the action is blocked, then any card played to perform the action is burned and the block is resolved with these two simultaneous consequences: the blocking minion is locked and enters combat with the acting minion (see Combat). If an effect ends the action before the block resolution or one of these two consequences (such as entering combat), neither consequence occurs.

*underlining by me

Mask of a Thousand Faces


Venenation
Last edit: 21 Jun 2023 20:33 by inm8. Reason: Added the second ruling that contradicts the first one.

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19 Aug 2023 09:12 #109091 by inm8
any thoughts?

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21 Aug 2023 19:54 #109119 by Bloodartist
I am not sure what is the question here exactly?

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22 Aug 2023 04:11 #109120 by inm8
I’m questioning the ruling that says Mask of a Thousand Faces is allowed to be played after Venenation has been played.

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/s1lJEsLMf-8/m/3CwIMglRboIJ

Mask of a Thousand Faces


Venenation

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22 Aug 2023 06:56 - 22 Aug 2023 06:57 #109121 by Ankha

I’m questioning the ruling that says Mask of a Thousand Faces is allowed to be played after Venenation has been played.

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/s1lJEsLMf-8/m/3CwIMglRboIJ

Yes, action modifiers can be played if the action is blocked, before (block) resolution.

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Last edit: 22 Aug 2023 06:57 by Ankha.
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22 Aug 2023 09:52 #109123 by inm8
What about that the rulebook says?

"Action modifier cards: The acting minion can play these cards to modify their action at any time before action resolution"

my understanding is that when an action is blocked it has reached action resolution (I could be wrong of course) and if this is the case then it should be too late to play MoaTF as it doesn't have the explicit text "usable if this minion is blocked, before block resolution." that allows it to be played when being blocked which isn't before action resolution.

If im wrong when does the "before action resolution" end?

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