delayed reaction

I have two questions about voting.
1.) Political Stranglehold played or called once per game - If this referendum is delayed using delaying tactics, does that mean that that card cannot be played again during the rest of the game?

2.) The timing of playing delayed reaction - I called a referendum that was passing 4-3, all vampires and methuselahs had cast their votes. I then played bewitching oration to increase the vote to 8-3, then a perfect paragon to make it 11-3, then I played a voter captivation, and at that point another player played delaying tactics.

Is this possible at that point? Can it be played after all vampires and methuselahs have cast their votes? Can it be played after the voter captivation is played?

Perhaps someone could clarify when it is ok to play this card and at what point it is no longer possible.

Thanks in advance.

dalefi wrote:

I have two questions about voting.
1.) Political Stranglehold played or called once per game - If this referendum is delayed using delaying tactics, does that mean that that card cannot be played again during the rest of the game?

2.) The timing of playing delayed reaction - I called a referendum that was passing 4-3, all vampires and methuselahs had cast their votes. I then played bewitching oration to increase the vote to 8-3, then a perfect paragon to make it 11-3, then I played a voter captivation, and at that point another player played delaying tactics.

Is this possible at that point? Can it be played after all vampires and methuselahs have cast their votes? Can it be played after the voter captivation is played?

Perhaps someone could clarify when it is ok to play this card and at what point it is no longer possible.

Thanks in advance.

Short.

1. Yes.

2.No (dependant on time given to play the Delaying tactics after Perfect Paragon, if there was no time given to react yes). Yes. No.

Long. I'll also include the current card text below as it's useful when discussing the cards to actually read what their wording is.

1. Delaying tactics has the following in it; "If a political action card [POLITICAL ACTION] was played to call this referendum, return it to its owner's hand (discard down afterward)." while Political Stranglehold has the following; "Only one Political Stranglehold can be played or called in a game."

Hence if the delaying tactics can return the card to your hand, you have played it and thus per cardtext on Political Stranglehold cannot play it again as it has already been played during the game.

Cancelled card is still played as the following (or similar) text does not appear "That card is not considered to be played." What the rules and cards dont explicitly say is not possible in the game. What is not possible cannot be attempted in a game with rules, otherwise you could just add million pool to yourself when opposing player goes for oust. Only possible things in the game please.

2. Delaying tactics can be played after everyone has rolled their votes out, before the polling step ends just like any other "usable during polling step" card. You mentioned Bewitching Oration and Perfect paragon, note how they have the same clause as Delaying tactics "Only usable during the polling step of a political action." meaning they happen in the same step. Current rulebook splits the referendum as follows www.vekn.net/rulebook#politics ;

The referendum consists of three steps:

1. Choose the terms, if any, of the referendum.

2. Polling: Cards that are usable “during the polling step” but “before votes and ballots are cast” are used at this time. Then, all Methuselahs may now cast any votes and ballots they have (see below) at this time, in any order. They call out their votes and ballots freely, and there is no obligation to cast votes or ballots. Once a vote or a ballot has been cast, however, it cannot be changed. The polling stage is completed only when all Methuselahs are finished casting votes and ballots. If you need a time limit, the Methuselahs can agree to wait 15 seconds after the last vote or ballot cast to close the polling stage.

3. Resolve the Referendum: If there are more votes for the referendum than against, it passes, and the effects take place. Otherwise, the referendum fails and has no effect. Tied referendums fail.

There's a reason why rulebook mentions time limit since the last casted vote to end the polling if needed. There's ruling from 1998 if you're after that with vote cancels; groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/mtjOAd7aaYI/m/XZq9o1cUd-8J

Per card text delaying tactics cannot be played after Voter Captivation as it's "Only usable during the polling step of a political action." while Voter Captivation is "Only usable after resolution of a political action whose referendum passed." See the earlier rulebook reference to note how the steps work and how late it is to play Delaying tactics. Do remember that per "all Methuselahs may now cast any votes and ballots they have (see below) at this time, in any order." means there is no impulse, hence people cannot claim someone has passed their change to act just by playing a Vote Captivation or other similar effect on the table. The Polling step ends when all agree it ends or when predetermined time has passed since the last vote if methuselahs are making it hard. Hence also the "No, but yes if no time given" answer in short.

1) Yes, you cannot play it anymore.

2) Delaying must be played during the polling step, so it must be played before captivation, but to prevent obvious (and sometimes reasonable) "wow man not that fast, I want to play my delaying" you should clearly confirm that polling is done (with something like "passing now by X anything else?" and then if nobody objects to it and don't ask for extra time to think polling is considered over and you safely play your captivation).

2. just to you know,you cannot play voter before resolve referendum. so after you play bewitching oration and perfect paragon there is still window for delayin.
after referendum resolve (gain/lose pool) you can play voter(and there is not window for delayin anymore)