file Orun burn trigger timing

02 Aug 2024 15:22 - 02 Aug 2024 15:23 #112237 by Snodig
If a minion with one or more Orun successfully performs an action to enter combat with a minion, is an Orun burnt before or after combat?

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Master: trifle.

Put this card on a Laibon. For non-Orun cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity. A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three Orun he or she has. If this Laibon successfully bleeds for more than 2 or successfully performs an action directed at a non-mortal minion, he or she burns one Orun. Burn this card if this Laibon has more Orun and Aye than his or her capacity.

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05 Aug 2024 13:46 #112264 by Snodig
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No takers? Educated guesses?

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05 Aug 2024 14:51 #112266 by kschaefer
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Combat is part of resolution. You'll lose the Orun after resolution, so after the combat.

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09 Aug 2024 07:30 - 09 Aug 2024 07:34 #112292 by Coyote
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Actually "or successfully performs an action directed at a non-mortal minion" means that right after the action becomes successful, you loose the Orun.

Checking when an action becomes successful comes before resolution. Even an action could be successful and then not being resolved (either by cards or by fizzle)

For example, you could perform a direct action to enter combat, become successful (not blocked) and then being prevented to enter combat by an Obedience. You would not enter combat, and anyway you would lose the Orun

For losing the Orun after combat, the Orun text should read "After resolution" instead of "successfully performs an action"

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09 Aug 2024 10:02 #112293 by Ankha
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Combat is part of resolution. You'll lose the Orun after resolution, so after the combat.

Correct. See also Sargon vs a political action. groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/DlCBJmB2fzY/m/3qDVEnFO0EgJ

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09 Aug 2024 10:03 #112294 by Ankha
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For losing the Orun after combat, the Orun text should read "After resolution" instead of "successfully performs an action"

"After resolution of a successful action" and "after X successfully performs an action" are the same, VTES-wise

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