Deal 3-2 legality
03 Nov 2024 09:02 - 03 Nov 2024 09:03 #112960
by acbishop
Deal 3-2 legality was created by acbishop
I know the answer, but I couldn't find a post to show to a player asking for it
Deal 3-2, with to players A and B, having B 3 VPs before the duel killing their 3 preys in order.
Can player B concede in duel as they already have a GW leaving 2 VPs to player A (their predator) ?
Deal 3-2, with to players A and B, having B 3 VPs before the duel killing their 3 preys in order.
Can player B concede in duel as they already have a GW leaving 2 VPs to player A (their predator) ?
Last edit: 03 Nov 2024 09:03 by acbishop.
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03 Nov 2024 10:43 #112961
by DavidR
David Resende - Prince of Teresina
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Replied by DavidR on topic Deal 3-2 legality
Tournament Rules item 3.5. apply
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04 Nov 2024 09:19 #112971
by alf
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Replied by alf on topic Deal 3-2 legality
3.5. Conceding Games
Players may concede a game at any time provided all but one of the players agree to concede, and provided it doesn't violate the play to win rule, with the result that game is recorded as if the remaining player had succeeded in ousting the conceding players in sequence. Please note that players who attempt to bribe, coerce, or otherwise improperly induce their opponents to concede will be subject to the appropriate section of the V:EKN Penalty Guidelines.
Players may concede a game at any time provided all but one of the players agree to concede, and provided it doesn't violate the play to win rule, with the result that game is recorded as if the remaining player had succeeded in ousting the conceding players in sequence. Please note that players who attempt to bribe, coerce, or otherwise improperly induce their opponents to concede will be subject to the appropriate section of the V:EKN Penalty Guidelines.
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04 Nov 2024 09:39 #112972
by acbishop
Replied by acbishop on topic Deal 3-2 legality
One player pointed out a bit of inconsistency in the way we have the tournament rules 3.5. Conceding Games and 4.8. Play to Win [when only two Methuselahs remain, the tournament rules no longer acknowledge any deals.]
He said that the reason that player is conceding 2 vps is because a previous deal, when rules state that previous deals are voided, he states that without that previous deal the player wouldn't concede and go to try the sweep or get a GW3.5 if time limit. So effectively, even if that player is following play to win conceding as he already has the GW, he is doing it only because they have a previous deal 3-2 that should be voided when getting into the duel.
We all know have our opinions about this, so probably better, In order to get this clarified, to have a ruling or statement from Ankha
He said that the reason that player is conceding 2 vps is because a previous deal, when rules state that previous deals are voided, he states that without that previous deal the player wouldn't concede and go to try the sweep or get a GW3.5 if time limit. So effectively, even if that player is following play to win conceding as he already has the GW, he is doing it only because they have a previous deal 3-2 that should be voided when getting into the duel.
We all know have our opinions about this, so probably better, In order to get this clarified, to have a ruling or statement from Ankha
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04 Nov 2024 11:52 #112974
by Lönkka
Replied by Lönkka on topic Deal 3-2 legality
B has already won
And thus can win with as few points as B wants.
And thus can win with as few points as B wants.
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04 Nov 2024 12:31 #112976
by acbishop
Replied by acbishop on topic Deal 3-2 legality
Yes, I agree with that, and I don't have a problem with the player conceding.
The only caveat and the reason that player wants a statement from Ankha is due to the fact that that player who already has the GW with 3 points is letting the 2 VPs to the other player because they had a deal before, and the rules said deals are no longer valid when in duel. Which is a valid point.
A simple statement from Ankha stating that whatever reason the player has to concede and gives those 2 points is not relevant and the player can do it regardless of a deal before or not deal before, that would solve the issue.
The only caveat and the reason that player wants a statement from Ankha is due to the fact that that player who already has the GW with 3 points is letting the 2 VPs to the other player because they had a deal before, and the rules said deals are no longer valid when in duel. Which is a valid point.
A simple statement from Ankha stating that whatever reason the player has to concede and gives those 2 points is not relevant and the player can do it regardless of a deal before or not deal before, that would solve the issue.
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