file Gratiano clarification

05 Nov 2024 21:48 #113010 by DavidR
I understand that Gratiano keeps his special text when changes sect or get another sabbat title but i nedd hel to understand why he still able to use his +1 ballot on priscii sub referendum if he is not Priscus anymore, and rulerbook says that only priscus com cast ballots on priscii sub referendum

On my searchs i find that he stills cast his ballot but i dont found why he can paticipate from the sub referendum

Can someone point me to the rigth direction?

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06 Nov 2024 00:23 #113014 by Kilrauko
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I understand that Gratiano keeps his special text when changes sect or get another sabbat title but i nedd hel to understand why he still able to use his +1 ballot on priscii sub referendum if he is not Priscus anymore, and rulerbook says that only priscus com cast ballots on priscii sub referendum

On my searchs i find that he stills cast his ballot but i dont found why he can paticipate from the sub referendum

Can someone point me to the rigth direction?


Short. You're jumping to conclusions by not reading what the actual rulebook says is happening in the prisci subreferendum.

Longer.
Let's look what rules actually say on prisci subreferendum. There's nothing in there on "rulebook says that only priscus can cast ballots on prisci sub referendum"

The Prisci Block: The prisci as a group have 3 votes. During a referendum, the prisci block of 3 votes is cast “for” or “against” the referendum according to the prisci sub-referendum. Each ready priscus provides 1 ballot for this sub-referendum, and votes may not be used in this sub-referendum. Each ballot cast is either “for” or “against” the main referendum. Whichever side has the greater number of ballots in the sub-referendum gains 3 votes in the main referendum. If the sub-referendum is tied, the prisci block abstains from the main referendum. As vampires cast their ballots in the sub-referendum, the prisci block of 3 votes might shift between “for”, “against”, and “abstain” (as the majority in the subreferendum changes). A vampire must cast all of their votes and ballots in agreement.


Now as we can see from the rulebook, each ready priscus provides 1 ballot for the sub-referendum, either for or against. Ballots decide the outcome as votes may not be used in the sub-referendum. Gratiano gets +1 ballot that is separate from the priscus title. There's no limit on who gets to cast ballots, if they have ballots, they can cast them. If some card like Free States Rant says priscus titles are worth 1 less ballot, note Gratiano's +1 ballot still works just fine. However if Gratiano has gone to camarilla and Bruce de Guy burns 1 blood for their Kine vote, Gratiano cannot use their +1 ballot.

Until card says otherwise, Gratiano can cast their +1 ballot as they wish, nothing in the rules prevents it. Heck even with Fall of Sabbat event Gratiano is still voting in the prisci-sub referendum as it's separate thing entirely.

The referendum always occurs.
If there are no Priscus, it will typically tie 0-0.
Gratiano can change that.

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/fz-EAPmmqZY/m/9JKy1NT-aOAJ
Name: Gratiano
[Sabbat:V, SW:U/PL, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Lasombra
Group: 2
Capacity: 8
Discipline: obf pot DOM OBT
Sabbat priscus: Gratiano gets +1 ballot. +1 bleed.
Artist: Doug Alexander
Name: Free States Rant
[FN:C2, Anarchs:PAB2, KMW:PAn3, LotN:PA]
Cardtype: Political Action
Requires an Independent {or Anarch} vampire.
Allocate X points among one or more ready vampires, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up). No more than 3 points points can be allocated to each vampire. Successful referendum means each vampire burns 1 blood for each point {allocated}. In this referendum, {non-priscus titles are worth 1 less vote each, priscus title is worth 1 less ballot}, and burning the Edge is worth {1} additional vote.
Artist: Drew Tucker
Name: Bruce de Guy
[Gehenna:U]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ventrue antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 10
Discipline: AUS DOM FOR OBT
Sabbat cardinal: Bruce may burn a blood when he announces a political action to prevent Camarilla vampires from casting votes or ballots in the resulting referendum. +1 bleed.
Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr.

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06 Nov 2024 02:52 - 06 Nov 2024 02:54 #113015 by DavidR
Replied by DavidR on topic Gratiano clarification
You are right, for some reason i have take the "each ready priscus provide 1 ballot" for "only priscus can provide ballot" and completely missed the point, thank you

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Last edit: 06 Nov 2024 02:54 by DavidR. Reason: Correct some typos
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