Golconda and wormwood

With wormwood with 8 counters on it on the table, and someone play golconda on a 11 cap vampire he controls, he receive 8 or 11 poll?

If wormwood have only 7 counters, the golconda can be pkayed?

Name: Golconda: Inner Peace
[Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R, Third:PTr, KoT:R/PV, SoB:1, NB3:PS1]
Cardtype: Master
Remove a vampire with capacity 8 or more from the game. Their controller gains pool equal to the vampire's capacity. Their controller can burn 2 pool to cancel this card as it is played.


Name: Wormwood
[Gehenna:R, EoG:1]
Cardtype: Event
Gehenna. Requires 1 or more other Gehenna events in play. Do not replace until your next discard phase.
This card comes into play with 10 counters. After another Gehenna event is played, burn 1 counter from this card. Vampires with capacity greater than X are considered vampires with capacity X (minimum of 1), where X is the number of counters on this card

DavidR wrote:

With wormwood with 8 counters on it on the table, and someone play golconda on a 11 cap vampire he controls, he receive 8 or 11 poll?

If wormwood have only 7 counters, the golconda can be pkayed?

Name: Golconda: Inner Peace
[Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R, Third:PTr, KoT:R/PV, SoB:1, NB3:PS1]
Cardtype: Master
Remove a vampire with capacity 8 or more from the game. Their controller gains pool equal to the vampire's capacity. Their controller can burn 2 pool to cancel this card as it is played.


Name: Wormwood
[Gehenna:R, EoG:1]
Cardtype: Event
Gehenna. Requires 1 or more other Gehenna events in play. Do not replace until your next discard phase.
This card comes into play with 10 counters. After another Gehenna event is played, burn 1 counter from this card. Vampires with capacity greater than X are considered vampires with capacity X (minimum of 1), where X is the number of counters on this card

Short: 8

Long: Per LSJ groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/K-RE-nTJ_Cg/m/a0awgegSNi8J

LSJ wrote:

CthuluKitty wrote:
>>>The question in that case is... Wormwood is a card played by another
>>>methuselah. Suddenly Orun doesn't apply to it? It's a continuous
>>>effect that sees a vampire with >X capacity and sets his capacity to X.
>>
>>If it did that, then capacity would not be restored when Wormwood
>>leaves play.
>>
>>It has been ruled otherwise (capacity is reset when Wormwood leaves
>>play).
>>
>>With that ruling, the current ruling on Wormwood with respect to Orun
>>follows.
>
> I'm not following you at all here. How does Wormwood leaving play
> enter this question at all? Can you explain this more clearly?

Sure:

If Wormwood simply rewrote each >X capacity vampire's capacity with
X capacity (and effect which would be "until the end of game", since
Wormwood doesn't specify), then the capacity-overriding effect which
had been laid on the vampire would continue even after Wormwood
leaves play.

But it doesn't.

Wormwood instead, then, must be intervening in how the vampire's
capacity is read as some sort of continuing while-in-play effect.

Just as Fall of the Camarilla doesn't clobber the minion's sect
and make the minion Independent, but rather is a continuing effect
that changes how each vampire's sect is read.

If some other card is played (say, Ancient Influence) that considers
the vampire to have two additional capacity, that card first must
observe the vampire's actual capacity (filtered through Wormwood
as needed) and then adds two.

Similar to how Mata Hari may play Sabbat-requiring cards even when
Fall of the Sabbat is in play.

In this case, LSJ highlights how cards played that check for capacity have their read affected by Wormwood. Thus Golconda when played sees in the above example vampire as 8 cap for it's effects. If it had Orun on it and cross table methuselah played the Golconda on that vampire, it would be read as being 8 (Wormwood)+2(Orun).