file Seduction valid targets

29 May 2026 23:56 #117135 by DavidR
By rule, only minions of the target matuselah can try to block a action or, in the case of a indirect action, prey's and predator's minions, Aneke, falcon and eagle sight being the exceptions more commons

When someone declare a action, on announcr he can play a :DOM: seduction on a not eligeble blocker? Like Monçada or another minion from the acting minion matuselah?

Name: Seduction
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, SW:PV, CE:C/PV2, BH:PTr2, KoT:C/PV4, SP:PoS4, FB:PV2, NB:PV1, V5C:PSal2]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Dominate
Only usable as the action is announced.
[dom] Choose a younger vampire. The chosen vampire cannot block this action.
[DOM] As above, but choose any vampire.
Artist: Harold Arthur McNeill; Jim Di Bartolo

David Resende - Prince of Teresina
:camarilla: :vent: :dom::pre::FOR::cap5:

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30 May 2026 20:06 #117143 by mipopo3
Replied by mipopo3 on topic Seduction valid targets
Seduction can be played on the superior dominant and target " any vampire."
Only Vapire, which is an ineligible blocker, is one not in the ready region.

"Targeting of Cards

If a card is played on another card, or targets another card, the target card must be in play (that is, controlled). Vampires in the torpor region are eligible targets by default, but vampires in the uncontrolled region and contested cards are not."

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30 May 2026 22:56 - 30 May 2026 22:59 #117145 by estelmatiazi
That is incorrect. From the rulebook:
Who May Attempt to Block
'If the action targets one or more other Methuselahs or things controlled by other Methuselahs, then the action is called directed, and only the Methuselahs who are targeted may use their ready unlocked minions to at- tempt to block the action. If more than one Methuselah has been targeted by the action, block attempts are made in a clockwise order.

If the action is not directed at another Methuselah or at something controlled by another Methuselah, then the action is called undirected and can be blocked by the acting Methuselah’s prey or predator, with the prey getting the first opportunity to block.'

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You cannot block your own actions, and you can't perform illegal actions.

Lasombra Archbishop of São José, SC, Brazil.
:sabbat::OBT::DOM::PRE::pot:
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30 May 2026 23:38 - 31 May 2026 00:52 #117146 by DavidR
Replied by DavidR on topic Seduction valid targets
Maybe the "any" on superior means only "same age, younger or older" and can be plyed only on target matuselah minions on directed actions and prey's or predador's minions on undirected actions (make more sense) because "any" translated to portuguese can mean any vampire on the table and may cause some confusion

David Resende - Prince of Teresina
:camarilla: :vent: :dom::pre::FOR::cap5:
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31 May 2026 09:22 - 31 May 2026 09:24 #117148 by KoRneeshon
Replied by KoRneeshon on topic Seduction valid targets

That is incorrect. From the rulebook:
Who May Attempt to Block
'If the action targets one or more other Methuselahs or things controlled by other Methuselahs, then the action is called directed, and only the Methuselahs who are targeted may use their ready unlocked minions to at- tempt to block the action. If more than one Methuselah has been targeted by the action, block attempts are made in a clockwise order.

If the action is not directed at another Methuselah or at something controlled by another Methuselah, then the action is called undirected and can be blocked by the acting Methuselah’s prey or predator, with the prey getting the first opportunity to block.'

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You cannot block your own actions, and you can't perform illegal actions.


That's cool, but Seduction doesn't need to be played on a vampire who "may attempt to block" - there's no such restriction, neither in rulebook nor card text. IMO, you can play it on your own vamps, e.g. to cycle cards. Just like you can play Anachronism on Enkidu, who already cannot use or have equipment.
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31 May 2026 10:38 #117149 by emime
Replied by emime on topic Seduction valid targets

That's cool, but Seduction doesn't need to be played on a vampire who "may attempt to block" - there's no such restriction, neither in rulebook nor card text. IMO, you can play it on your own vamps, e.g. to cycle cards. Just like you can play Anachronism on Enkidu, who already cannot use or have equipment.


Indeed: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/ZrlebBiQQHk

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