Cause and Effect - S2E03
29 Jan 2012 23:45 - 29 Jan 2012 23:46 #22041
by Forhead
Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark
Cause and Effect - S2E03 was created by Forhead
The third episode of the second season is now done and uploaded on youtube. This time we tried out the deck clinc once again, but this time we had a slightly different approach. Hopefully this results in a more intresting show and a deep analyzis.
Part 1:
Part 2:
Deck Name : Lasombra - Baltimore Purge
Author : Aleksander Idziak
4x Ambrosio Luis Monc 10 DOM OBT POT PRE aus for Lasombra
1x Marcus Vitel Adv 10 DOM FOR OBF OBT POT PRE Lasombra
1x Gratiano 8 DOM OBT obf pot priscus Lasombra
1x Lucita 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
1x Aurora Van Brande, 6 OBT dom for pot Lasombra
1x Banjoko 5 DOM obt pot Lasombra
1x Ignacio, The Black 4 dom obt pot Lasombra
1x Ramiro 4 dom obt vic Lasombra
1x Cameron 3 dom pot Lasombra
1x Aaron Duggan, Came 2 obt Lasombra
Library [73 cards]
Action [18]
7x Baltimore Purge
6x Govern the Unaligned
5x Graverobbing
Action Modifier [27]
2x Conditioning
2x Enkil Cog
10x Freak Drive
6x Shadow Play
1x Shroud of Absence
4x Shroud of Night
2x Tenebrous Form
Ally [2]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Combat [6]
6x Shadow Body
Equipment [2]
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Zaire River Ferry
Master [13]
1x Coven, The
2x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Elysian Fields
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Path of Night, The
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
Reaction [5]
5x Deflection
Adam’s version
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 40, Avg: 7.33)
4 Ambrosio Luis Moncada aus DOM for OBT POT PRE10 Lasombra
4 Gratiano DOM obf OBT pot8 Lasombra
1 Banjoko obt pot DOM 5 Lasombra
1 Cameron dom pot 3 Lasombra
1 Ignacio dom obt pot 4 Lasombra
1 Ramiro dom obt vic 4 Lasombra
Library: (69 cards)
Master (18 cards)
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
2 Information Highway
5 Zillah`s Valley
1 Pentex Subversion
2 Golconda: Inner Peace
1 Giant`s Blood
1 Coven, The
3 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1 Sudden Reversal
Action (18 cards)
4 Mind Rape
4 Govern the Unaligned
5 Baltimore Purge
2 Graverobbing
3 Abactor
Political Action (2 cards)
2 Banishment
Reaction (4 cards)
4 Deflection
Combat (3 cards)
3 Shadow Body
Action Modifier (23 cards)
10 Freak Drive
3 Shroud of Absence
4 Shadow Play
1 Enkil Cog
2 Conditioning
1 Shroud of Night
1 Blanket of Night
1 Tenebrous Form
Ally (1 cards)
1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Isak’s Version
Part 1:
Part 2:
Deck Name : Lasombra - Baltimore Purge
Author : Aleksander Idziak
Warning: Spoiler!
4x Ambrosio Luis Monc 10 DOM OBT POT PRE aus for Lasombra
1x Marcus Vitel Adv 10 DOM FOR OBF OBT POT PRE Lasombra
1x Gratiano 8 DOM OBT obf pot priscus Lasombra
1x Lucita 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
1x Aurora Van Brande, 6 OBT dom for pot Lasombra
1x Banjoko 5 DOM obt pot Lasombra
1x Ignacio, The Black 4 dom obt pot Lasombra
1x Ramiro 4 dom obt vic Lasombra
1x Cameron 3 dom pot Lasombra
1x Aaron Duggan, Came 2 obt Lasombra
Library [73 cards]
Action [18]
7x Baltimore Purge
6x Govern the Unaligned
5x Graverobbing
Action Modifier [27]
2x Conditioning
2x Enkil Cog
10x Freak Drive
6x Shadow Play
1x Shroud of Absence
4x Shroud of Night
2x Tenebrous Form
Ally [2]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Combat [6]
6x Shadow Body
Equipment [2]
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Zaire River Ferry
Master [13]
1x Coven, The
2x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Elysian Fields
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Path of Night, The
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
Reaction [5]
5x Deflection
Adam’s version
Warning: Spoiler!
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 40, Avg: 7.33)
4 Ambrosio Luis Moncada aus DOM for OBT POT PRE10 Lasombra
4 Gratiano DOM obf OBT pot8 Lasombra
1 Banjoko obt pot DOM 5 Lasombra
1 Cameron dom pot 3 Lasombra
1 Ignacio dom obt pot 4 Lasombra
1 Ramiro dom obt vic 4 Lasombra
Library: (69 cards)
Master (18 cards)
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
2 Information Highway
5 Zillah`s Valley
1 Pentex Subversion
2 Golconda: Inner Peace
1 Giant`s Blood
1 Coven, The
3 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1 Sudden Reversal
Action (18 cards)
4 Mind Rape
4 Govern the Unaligned
5 Baltimore Purge
2 Graverobbing
3 Abactor
Political Action (2 cards)
2 Banishment
Reaction (4 cards)
4 Deflection
Combat (3 cards)
3 Shadow Body
Action Modifier (23 cards)
10 Freak Drive
3 Shroud of Absence
4 Shadow Play
1 Enkil Cog
2 Conditioning
1 Shroud of Night
1 Blanket of Night
1 Tenebrous Form
Ally (1 cards)
1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Isak’s Version
Warning: Spoiler!
Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10
5x Ambrosio Luis Monc 10 DOM OBT POT PRE aus for Lasombra
2x Aurora Van Brande, 6 OBT dom for pot Lasombra
1x Lucita 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
2x Lucita Adv 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
1x Ignacio, The Black 4 dom obt pot Lasombra
1x Ramiro 4 dom obt vic Lasombra
1x Cameron 3 dom pot Lasombra
Library [71 cards]
Action [19]
6x Baltimore Purge
4x Govern the Unaligned
4x Graverobbing
5x Mind Rape
Action Modifier [28]
1x Blanket of Night
2x Conditioning
2x Enkil Cog
13x Freak Drive
4x Shadow Play
3x Shroud of Absence
2x Shroud of Night
1x Tenebrous Form
Combat [4]
4x Shadow Body
Master [15]
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Elysian Fields
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
2x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
5x Zillah's Valley
Reaction [4]
4x Deflection
5x Ambrosio Luis Monc 10 DOM OBT POT PRE aus for Lasombra
2x Aurora Van Brande, 6 OBT dom for pot Lasombra
1x Lucita 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
2x Lucita Adv 8 DOM FOR OBT cel pot Lasombra
1x Ignacio, The Black 4 dom obt pot Lasombra
1x Ramiro 4 dom obt vic Lasombra
1x Cameron 3 dom pot Lasombra
Library [71 cards]
Action [19]
6x Baltimore Purge
4x Govern the Unaligned
4x Graverobbing
5x Mind Rape
Action Modifier [28]
1x Blanket of Night
2x Conditioning
2x Enkil Cog
13x Freak Drive
4x Shadow Play
3x Shroud of Absence
2x Shroud of Night
1x Tenebrous Form
Combat [4]
4x Shadow Body
Master [15]
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Elysian Fields
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
2x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
5x Zillah's Valley
Reaction [4]
4x Deflection
Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark
Last edit: 29 Jan 2012 23:46 by Forhead.
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30 Jan 2012 19:47 #22082
by extrala
Replied by extrala on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S2E03
With what amazing deck Anders swept a table?
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30 Jan 2012 22:26 #22086
by Anders Löf
Replied by Anders Löf on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S2E03
It's a shambling horde anarch keystone kine dabbler deck, no more no less. Not my idea, not even my deck, but funny. Don't have a deck list.
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31 Jan 2012 20:53 #22154
by Louhi
Lidingö Scourge
Replied by Louhi on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S2E03
This is in essence what Anders played, maybe just a card or two is off in the stealth package.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 8 average: 4.66667
4x Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff:0
3x Pochtli 8 NEC OBF POT cel dom Giovanni:2
3x Rafaele Giovanni 6 NEC cel obf Giovanni:2
2x Le Dinh Tho 5 NEC aus dom Nagaraja:2
Library [64 cards]
Action [8]
8x Keystone Kine
Action Modifier [16]
1x Call of the Hungry Dead
4x Cloak the Gathering
1x Conditioning
3x Faceless Night
4x Lost in Crowds
1x Monkey Wrench
2x Trochomancy
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Swallowed by the Night
Action Modifier/Reaction [1]
1x Spectral Divination
Ally [12]
12x Shambling Hordes
Combat [4]
4x Trap
Event [2]
2x Unmasking, The
Master [12]
1x Barrens, The
4x Dabbler
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Life in the City
2x Path of Bone, The
1x Wider View
Reaction [8]
4x Deflection
4x On the Qui Vive
Thinking about throwing in a gear up or two and taking out one other card but undecided if it will improve anything.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 8 average: 4.66667
4x Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff:0
3x Pochtli 8 NEC OBF POT cel dom Giovanni:2
3x Rafaele Giovanni 6 NEC cel obf Giovanni:2
2x Le Dinh Tho 5 NEC aus dom Nagaraja:2
Library [64 cards]
Action [8]
8x Keystone Kine
Action Modifier [16]
1x Call of the Hungry Dead
4x Cloak the Gathering
1x Conditioning
3x Faceless Night
4x Lost in Crowds
1x Monkey Wrench
2x Trochomancy
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Swallowed by the Night
Action Modifier/Reaction [1]
1x Spectral Divination
Ally [12]
12x Shambling Hordes
Combat [4]
4x Trap
Event [2]
2x Unmasking, The
Master [12]
1x Barrens, The
4x Dabbler
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Life in the City
2x Path of Bone, The
1x Wider View
Reaction [8]
4x Deflection
4x On the Qui Vive
Thinking about throwing in a gear up or two and taking out one other card but undecided if it will improve anything.
Lidingö Scourge
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01 Feb 2012 15:11 - 01 Feb 2012 15:12 #22195
by alek
Replied by alek on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S2E03
I just had an occasion to watch last episode and I have to say it was really good, not only becouse my deck was discused 
I think quality of the analysis was much better than last time, it was much deeper, with pros & cons of different choices, reasons why to build it in diffent ways, etc. I really like and it was very helpful.
As for the deck itself I would like to point out my feelings behind it.
1. First of all I think I'll be risky to play it in current standard tournament meta. The main reason for it are inner circles which are now very often present in tournaments and which wasn't a case few years ago. This fact means that playing baltimore purge with 10 cap will be very problematic. The decklist I've send is really old, I've just refreshed it with some new cards from KoT (namely Monastery and Enkil Cog), but the deck itself was build a long time ago. Today I'll definitely based it on 11 cap.
2. I really like a concept of including mind rapes. It completes the strategy nicely.
3. As for the crypt acceleration I'm not sure yet. I know you are big fan of it, and I think it's very strong in master decks and decks that have room in master portion of the deck. In other decks, the risk of clogging a hand with it in middle and end game could be to big comparing to benefits, especially in decks with freak drives which often burns minion cards quite fast. In both you version the master part was heavy so this would be a big problem.
4. As for the shadow body I found it very usefull on superior. When doing a lot of action on 0 stealth (mind rape, baltimore purge, diablerize, graverobbing, bleeding) in same turn, it's veeery good to have this kind of tapping effect (especially for carlton)
5. If I would choose one of your version it would be Isak's. I feel it's more focused, with smaller master portion (still to big for this deck in my opinion) and with better crypt (second vampire with fortitude, being able to play purge, freak, something else is huge). I would left the coven in (maybe replacing monastery of shadows) and possibly carlton.
To sum up, again great job men.

I think quality of the analysis was much better than last time, it was much deeper, with pros & cons of different choices, reasons why to build it in diffent ways, etc. I really like and it was very helpful.
As for the deck itself I would like to point out my feelings behind it.
1. First of all I think I'll be risky to play it in current standard tournament meta. The main reason for it are inner circles which are now very often present in tournaments and which wasn't a case few years ago. This fact means that playing baltimore purge with 10 cap will be very problematic. The decklist I've send is really old, I've just refreshed it with some new cards from KoT (namely Monastery and Enkil Cog), but the deck itself was build a long time ago. Today I'll definitely based it on 11 cap.
2. I really like a concept of including mind rapes. It completes the strategy nicely.
3. As for the crypt acceleration I'm not sure yet. I know you are big fan of it, and I think it's very strong in master decks and decks that have room in master portion of the deck. In other decks, the risk of clogging a hand with it in middle and end game could be to big comparing to benefits, especially in decks with freak drives which often burns minion cards quite fast. In both you version the master part was heavy so this would be a big problem.
4. As for the shadow body I found it very usefull on superior. When doing a lot of action on 0 stealth (mind rape, baltimore purge, diablerize, graverobbing, bleeding) in same turn, it's veeery good to have this kind of tapping effect (especially for carlton)
5. If I would choose one of your version it would be Isak's. I feel it's more focused, with smaller master portion (still to big for this deck in my opinion) and with better crypt (second vampire with fortitude, being able to play purge, freak, something else is huge). I would left the coven in (maybe replacing monastery of shadows) and possibly carlton.
To sum up, again great job men.
Last edit: 01 Feb 2012 15:12 by alek.
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05 Feb 2012 16:13 #22366
by extrala
Replied by extrala on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S2E03
It would be great if you could announce if/when the next show is going to be broadcasted!
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