Most Interesting Decks to Play
15 Nov 2013 11:55 - 15 Nov 2013 11:56 #56625
by Lemminkäinen
Replied by Lemminkäinen on topic Re: Most Interesting Decks to Play
Scourge of the Enochians? Delaying Tactics?So let's rephrase that a bit: Silver bullets are cards that totally hose someone's strategy when played but are so narrow in their application that they're unlikely to ever pay off. I'm talking cards on the level of Visiccitude Poisoning and Trochomancy here.
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15 Nov 2013 14:21 #56627
by Klaital
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Trochomancy is not a silver bullet, its +2 bleed modifier which is pretty damn useful always.
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16 Nov 2013 15:57 #56647
by Izaak
That certainly is a silver bullet.
That qualifies as well. There is a reason most decks play 1-2 copies if they play them at all. Exactly because it is a silver bullet.
No it's not. It's useless 99 out of a 100 times, because it's not +2 bleed.
What it is, is an extremely conditional +2 bleed, that is bad against every deck that doesn't do Ashur/Liquidation shennenigans. It's going to be dead in your hand a LOT of the time, especially if you are playing multiples.
If you actually had some card evaluation skills, you would't be looking at every card in a magical christmasland scenario. Trochomancy is useless 95 out of 100 times. And when it does what it's supposed to do, it cripples someone's game to the point of him being unable to actually win.
It's pretty much the epitome of a silver bullet.
Replied by Izaak on topic Re: Most Interesting Decks to Play
Scourge of the Enochians?
That certainly is a silver bullet.
Delaying Tactics?
That qualifies as well. There is a reason most decks play 1-2 copies if they play them at all. Exactly because it is a silver bullet.
Trochomancy is not a silver bullet, its +2 bleed modifier which is pretty damn useful always.
No it's not. It's useless 99 out of a 100 times, because it's not +2 bleed.
What it is, is an extremely conditional +2 bleed, that is bad against every deck that doesn't do Ashur/Liquidation shennenigans. It's going to be dead in your hand a LOT of the time, especially if you are playing multiples.
If you actually had some card evaluation skills, you would't be looking at every card in a magical christmasland scenario. Trochomancy is useless 95 out of 100 times. And when it does what it's supposed to do, it cripples someone's game to the point of him being unable to actually win.
It's pretty much the epitome of a silver bullet.
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16 Nov 2013 16:18 #56648
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Most Interesting Decks to Play
So 99 times out of 100 your prey does not have 7 cards in their ash heap, huh? Not sure what kind of environment you are playing in...
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16 Nov 2013 19:00 #56649
by TorranceCircle
Replied by TorranceCircle on topic Re: Most Interesting Decks to Play
I don't see many harbinger decks but I think the ones that I have seen have had at least 4 or more copies, primarily for the bleed mod. James Lin had a deck with 8 I think.It's pretty much the epitome of a silver bullet.
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16 Nov 2013 23:21 - 16 Nov 2013 23:26 #56662
by Izaak
In the first turns? Nope. Eventually? Sure. Is that relevant? No. That's why it's a silver bullet. You're ok with playing a copy because it can usually be used eventually, and when it's actually good it's amazing. You're not ok with playing multiples, because if you do you are going to draw multiples and you are you going to play with a 5 card hand.
It's very simple: there are vastly better +bleed cards available than Trochomancy for every single deck you can possibly imagine. Even Leverage is a better card and that's not because Leverage is good, but because Trochomancy is unbelievably bad as a bleed modifier. Thus, you are playing Trochomancy for its graveyard hate effect. Which is fine, because it's generally fine to play a few silver bullets.
As opposed to which mode?
Anyway, since this discussion is going nowhere anyway, I'm going to stop trying to taling to a wall. I'm perfectly happy with you continuing to play bad cards in bad decks and pretend they are good.
I guess you still build 90 card decks too?
Replied by Izaak on topic Re: Most Interesting Decks to Play
So 99 times out of 100 your prey does not have 7 cards in their ash heap, huh?
In the first turns? Nope. Eventually? Sure. Is that relevant? No. That's why it's a silver bullet. You're ok with playing a copy because it can usually be used eventually, and when it's actually good it's amazing. You're not ok with playing multiples, because if you do you are going to draw multiples and you are you going to play with a 5 card hand.
It's very simple: there are vastly better +bleed cards available than Trochomancy for every single deck you can possibly imagine. Even Leverage is a better card and that's not because Leverage is good, but because Trochomancy is unbelievably bad as a bleed modifier. Thus, you are playing Trochomancy for its graveyard hate effect. Which is fine, because it's generally fine to play a few silver bullets.
I don't see many harbinger decks but I think the ones that I have seen have had at least 4 or more copies, primarily for the bleed mod
As opposed to which mode?
Anyway, since this discussion is going nowhere anyway, I'm going to stop trying to taling to a wall. I'm perfectly happy with you continuing to play bad cards in bad decks and pretend they are good.
I guess you still build 90 card decks too?
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