Baali Combat
18 Oct 2011 01:31 #12186
by CryWolf


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18 Oct 2011 06:34 #12198
by Klaital
If you are focusing heavily on concordance then you should use Dive Bomb as your rush of choice, its like Nose but can rush untapped too.
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The crypt all have auspex, so Nose of the Hound is a better rush card than the usual suspects. I'm also doing some auspex untap and block, and Sense The Sin is my only bleed modifier since it can also be used as intercept when needed.
If you are focusing heavily on concordance then you should use Dive Bomb as your rush of choice, its like Nose but can rush untapped too.

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18 Oct 2011 06:51 - 18 Oct 2011 06:52 #12200
by Kraus
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Good ol' Z!
Lovely to see you aboard! Does this mean you had a round in the Ebay to find some Tend the Flock, and you guys started playing again?
I'm in a hurry right now, but will try and comment on the deck a wee bit as soon as possible.
Rain clouds covering the sun down there in Northern Ireland? Makes it easier to avoid sunburn, it does!

I'm in a hurry right now, but will try and comment on the deck a wee bit as soon as possible.
Rain clouds covering the sun down there in Northern Ireland? Makes it easier to avoid sunburn, it does!

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20 Oct 2011 16:05 - 20 Oct 2011 16:22 #12492
by prunesquallor
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Here's my version of a deck like this.
Begin by bringing out the highest cap Baali you get in the initial pull, to be able to use Tend The Flock.
The best case is to get merged Petaniqua out with Concordance. This makes her -1 stealth, +3 strength, +1 bleed, burn a blood to untap during influence, burn a blood for a press, and does 2 damage before range in each round after the first. If you can pull off a good early combat, you won't have much need of block denial.
I tend to only play a retainer or equipment unless I have Concordance, and preferably As The Crow for a free untap.
It's a fun deck early/mid game, but the high blood and pool cost of everything tends to leave you weak later. And if your combat doesn't come together early, you'll die very quickly. So, I continue working on this deck but only ever expect to be satisfied with it in a casual game.
Worst case is to sit next to a celerity / gun deck, or any other ranged combat with some damage avoidance. Those will just tear you up. Also not strong against S:CE, because it can't get into combat often enough to drain those cards out of the opponent's hand.
Deck Name: Daimoinon combat
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Use conflagration, concordance, etc in a THA / DAI combat deck.
Crypt (Capacity min=7 max=10 avg=8.75; 12 cards)
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3x Nergal ADV 10 AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA Baali:5
3x Petaniqua ADV 9 chi AUS DAI DEM OBF THA Baali:4
3x Petaniqua 9 chi AUS DAI DEM OBF THA Malkavian:4
3x Valerius Maior, Hell's Fool ADV 7 nec pre AUS DAI DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (70 cards)
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Master (13 cards)
2x Blood Doll
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Haven Uncovered
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Rack, The
5x Tend the Flock
1x Wash
Action (11 cards)
2x Bum's Rush
5x Concordance
2x Nose of the Hound
2x Sheepdog
Equipment (1 cards)
1x Palatial Estate
Retainer (2 cards)
2x D'habi Revenant
Action Modifier (8 cards)
4x As the Crow
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Psychomachia
Reaction (9 cards)
2x Enhanced Senses
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Telepathic Misdirection
1x Undying Thirst
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (21 cards)
5x Apportation
3x Conflagration
3x Flames of the Netherworld
5x Rego Motus
1x Target Vitals
4x Theft of Vitae
Combo (5 cards)
5x Sense the Sin
Created with Secret Library v0.9.3. (Oct 20, 2011 21:04:21)
Begin by bringing out the highest cap Baali you get in the initial pull, to be able to use Tend The Flock.
The best case is to get merged Petaniqua out with Concordance. This makes her -1 stealth, +3 strength, +1 bleed, burn a blood to untap during influence, burn a blood for a press, and does 2 damage before range in each round after the first. If you can pull off a good early combat, you won't have much need of block denial.
I tend to only play a retainer or equipment unless I have Concordance, and preferably As The Crow for a free untap.
It's a fun deck early/mid game, but the high blood and pool cost of everything tends to leave you weak later. And if your combat doesn't come together early, you'll die very quickly. So, I continue working on this deck but only ever expect to be satisfied with it in a casual game.
Worst case is to sit next to a celerity / gun deck, or any other ranged combat with some damage avoidance. Those will just tear you up. Also not strong against S:CE, because it can't get into combat often enough to drain those cards out of the opponent's hand.
Deck Name: Daimoinon combat
Author:
Description:
Use conflagration, concordance, etc in a THA / DAI combat deck.
Crypt (Capacity min=7 max=10 avg=8.75; 12 cards)
===================================================
3x Nergal ADV 10 AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA Baali:5
3x Petaniqua ADV 9 chi AUS DAI DEM OBF THA Baali:4
3x Petaniqua 9 chi AUS DAI DEM OBF THA Malkavian:4
3x Valerius Maior, Hell's Fool ADV 7 nec pre AUS DAI DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (70 cards)
=====================
Master (13 cards)
2x Blood Doll
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Haven Uncovered
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Rack, The
5x Tend the Flock
1x Wash
Action (11 cards)
2x Bum's Rush
5x Concordance
2x Nose of the Hound
2x Sheepdog
Equipment (1 cards)
1x Palatial Estate
Retainer (2 cards)
2x D'habi Revenant
Action Modifier (8 cards)
4x As the Crow
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Psychomachia
Reaction (9 cards)
2x Enhanced Senses
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Telepathic Misdirection
1x Undying Thirst
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (21 cards)
5x Apportation
3x Conflagration
3x Flames of the Netherworld
5x Rego Motus
1x Target Vitals
4x Theft of Vitae
Combo (5 cards)
5x Sense the Sin
Created with Secret Library v0.9.3. (Oct 20, 2011 21:04:21)
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Last edit: 20 Oct 2011 16:22 by prunesquallor.
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20 Oct 2011 16:43 #12497
by Klaital
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You could use Telepathic Trackings instead of apporations to deal with s:ce, and weather controls and taste of vitaes instead of the agg poke to regain blood, in addition to the thefts, also switch the elder inpersonations and psychomachias for swallowed by the nights for some more manuevers or free stealth. You could also use some magic of the smiths for deer rifles/hawgs to get some more permanents, Petaniqua with a deer rifle and hawg is really scary.
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20 Oct 2011 17:38 #12506
by prunesquallor
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Telepathic Tracking could be fun, I may try that.
If it's all Thaumaturgy combat, I think regular Tremere or !Tremere could do a better job.
Swallowed by the Night doesn't fit with Concordance, which puts your base stealth at -1. For this deck, any modifiers to push an action through need to be cancelling a block or making an action unblockable.
Making the deck purely focused on Petaniqua and abusing the press / 2 damage each round could be a fun alternative, drop the Daimoinon stuff in place of some supporting equipment like you suggest.
Thanks for the suggestions!
If it's all Thaumaturgy combat, I think regular Tremere or !Tremere could do a better job.
Swallowed by the Night doesn't fit with Concordance, which puts your base stealth at -1. For this deck, any modifiers to push an action through need to be cancelling a block or making an action unblockable.
Making the deck purely focused on Petaniqua and abusing the press / 2 damage each round could be a fun alternative, drop the Daimoinon stuff in place of some supporting equipment like you suggest.
Thanks for the suggestions!
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