Revenge of the meek - Tzimisce S&B

Kushiel wrote:

It's just that I've found stealth/bleed to work best when you either have a lot of minions and/or can bleed for a lot with indvidiual minions. This deck doesn't seem capable of either.

I love the way you managed to say his deck can't bleed without sounding too harsh

Non-existant user wrote:

I love the way you managed to say his deck can't bleed without sounding too harsh

I am a Positivity Happymonkey!

I'd really put in the Living manse you are talking about.
Permanent bleed with the option of a s:ce is definitively über cool

Non-existant user wrote:

Kushiel wrote:

It's just that I've found stealth/bleed to work best when you either have a lot of minions and/or can bleed for a lot with indvidiual minions. This deck doesn't seem capable of either.

I love the way you managed to say his deck can't bleed without sounding too harsh

Well, it's not a deck that can bleed someone out by surprise, unlike for example blood brother. It does not mean the concept is completely invalided, just that the defense is particulary important.

I am trying to put the advice into another list. It's just hard to do, because of the problem. I am trying to do a gr4-5 crypt for skindoctor + Duality, but there is not much gr5 vampires. At least there is Nicomedes and Sennadurek as possible support.

If I may, I'd like to go back to your original deck. I'll probably repeat what was said, but I think that people are going off topic (I think).
- You want to use group 3/4 Tzimisce with Obf. Cool!
- Others are correct, that if you don't use the obfuscate, it will probably be better to go to other groups.

1st Question: Why do you want to use the Obfuscate? Is it because that you play on heavy intercepts tables? If not, it still okay to use the obf, just make sure to take that into account (play with cycling cards for example the Barrens).

2nd Question: Why Tzimisce? Or better, why Vissitude? Between those two, you only have 11 cards. If you want to use these traits/disciples, great, otherwise, it should be re-looked at.

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So lets go back to your original statement: Wanting to make Group 3/4 Tzimisce obfuscate work. So lets look at them.

1 Guedado aus obf vic 4 Tzimisce
1 Ana Rita Montana aus dom obf VIC 5 Tzimisce
1 Laika chi obf vic ANI AUS 7 Tzimisce
1 Lady Zara Slatikov ANI AUS OBF VIC 8 Tzimisce
1 Cyscek dem ANI AUS OBF VIC 10 Tzimisce
1 Sha-Ennu obf tha ANI AUS CHI VIC 11 Tzimisce

Guedado... but he is Laibon and can't play Fiendish tongue or aninmalism
Ana Rita - VIC (but you are currently no using it much) and still no animalism - but can Fiendish / Changling like a champ
Laika - Bad ability but looks like good support vamp
Lady Zara - Everything you need
Cyscek - Everything you need
Sha-Ennu - Good, but big and inferior obf.

[we can get into possible support vamps in a second]

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So cards that fit into your theme:
- Soul Decoration - If you have enough blocking / bounce this is a fine action to take. Particularly if you have some bleed permanents and you can use it at inferior if you draw it late game.
- Obfuscate Stealth: other people are correct in that you can just use Mind of the Wild and Plasmic Form to make up for the 6 random stealth cards. So use what they are good for! Faceless Night, Lost in Crowds and Elder Impersonation are good. Swallowed will double as a maneuver . And if you want to get tricksy, Mask of 1000, will allow you have someone fight lady zara with some nasty combat.
- Read the Winds / Mind of the Wild: Staple cards. Good.
- Abbot - its a free intercept against D actions, rarely blocked and you untap
- Feindish Tongue - Bleed with untap. Good.


You state that you want it to be a little stealthy but with a wall element to it. You are debating between defense combat and hit back combat. That's cool.

I would mix it up and see what you like and what is good for your meta game. Aura reading or Owl companion allows you do determine whether to play crows or meld with the land. If you deal with a lot of Immortal grapple (No... don't play Immense Size ) But Chiroptean marauder or Body Arsenal is quite good (and Body Arsenal can be played at inferior. )
Oh course, if you have any agg damage, one Rotschek I heard is good.

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I'm going all over the place so I'll quickly show you some possible supoprt vamps that add to theme.
[many many vamps with obf aus] but with obf vic (and sabbat)...

1 Luc dem vic OBF 5 Malkavian Antitribu
1 Drusilla Euphemia dem vic AUS OBF 6 Malkavian Antitribu
1 Morrow the Sage cel vic OBF PRO 6 Gangrel Antitribu
1 Harold Zett vic AUS DEM OBF POT 9 Malkavian Antitribu
1 Gravitnir AUS CEL DEM OBF VIC 10 Malkavian Antitribu

[And for a differnet deck, search group 3/4 vissisitude and dementation... ]

Hope this helps some,
Adam

Ohlmann wrote:

I am trying to put the advice into another list. It's just hard to do, because of the problem. I am trying to do a gr4-5 crypt for skindoctor + Duality, but there is not much gr5 vampires. At least there is Nicomedes and Sennadurek as possible support.

Again: Have you tried to trade for the 2/3 vampires? I doubt it would take much work to get them, and any hoop-jumping you need to do to get them will save you a lot of hoop-jumping while building your deck and playing. On top of which, the 2/3 guys are pretty good for a number of different kinds of decks, meaning that you get a good bit of variety for your investment.