Malkavian Breed Boon
16 Jun 2011 13:52 #5215
by Mephistopheles
NC for Hungary
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Malkavian Breed Boon was created by Mephistopheles
How do you intend to oust?
Swarm bleed and KRC
How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Generate a massive amount of pool
What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
~10 vampires
What do you want your average turn to look like?
Progeny + Boon
What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Never played it yet
Deck Name: Malkavian Breed Boon
Created By: Mephistopheles
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 17, Max: 28, Avg: 5,91)
3 Greger Anderssen AUS dom OBF pro7 Malkavian
3 Gilbert Duane AUS DOM OBF 7 Malkavian
2 Ozmo AUS dom obf 6 Malkavian
1 Zebulon aus dom OBF pro5 Malkavian
1 Didi Meyers aus cel DOM obf5 Malkavian
1 Roland Bishop aus dom obf 4 Malkavian
1 Watenda obf 3 Malkavian
Library: (75 cards)
Master (31 cards)
4 Parthenon, The
9 Obfuscate
9 Ashur Tablets
5 Liquidation
1 Papillon
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Asylum Hunting Ground
1 Wider View
Action (11 cards)
9 Third Tradition: Progeny, The
2 Psychic Veil
Action Modifier (10 cards)
2 Veil the Legions
2 Cloak the Gathering
2 Faceless Night
2 Lost in Crowds
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
Political Action (14 cards)
3 Malkavian Justicar
6 Consanguineous Boon
4 Kine Resources Contested
1 Neonate Breach
Reaction (6 cards)
3 Malkavian Rider Clause
3 Deflection
Event (1 cards)
1 Anthelios, the Red Star
Combo (2 cards)
2 Swallowed by the Night
What do you think of this deck? Could it become a Tier1 tournament deck?
Swarm bleed and KRC
How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Generate a massive amount of pool
What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
~10 vampires
What do you want your average turn to look like?
Progeny + Boon
What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Never played it yet
Deck Name: Malkavian Breed Boon
Created By: Mephistopheles
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 17, Max: 28, Avg: 5,91)
3 Greger Anderssen AUS dom OBF pro7 Malkavian
3 Gilbert Duane AUS DOM OBF 7 Malkavian
2 Ozmo AUS dom obf 6 Malkavian
1 Zebulon aus dom OBF pro5 Malkavian
1 Didi Meyers aus cel DOM obf5 Malkavian
1 Roland Bishop aus dom obf 4 Malkavian
1 Watenda obf 3 Malkavian
Library: (75 cards)
Master (31 cards)
4 Parthenon, The
9 Obfuscate
9 Ashur Tablets
5 Liquidation
1 Papillon
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Asylum Hunting Ground
1 Wider View
Action (11 cards)
9 Third Tradition: Progeny, The
2 Psychic Veil
Action Modifier (10 cards)
2 Veil the Legions
2 Cloak the Gathering
2 Faceless Night
2 Lost in Crowds
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
Political Action (14 cards)
3 Malkavian Justicar
6 Consanguineous Boon
4 Kine Resources Contested
1 Neonate Breach
Reaction (6 cards)
3 Malkavian Rider Clause
3 Deflection
Event (1 cards)
1 Anthelios, the Red Star
Combo (2 cards)
2 Swallowed by the Night
What do you think of this deck? Could it become a Tier1 tournament deck?
NC for Hungary
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16 Jun 2011 14:01 #5216
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: Malkavian Breed Boon
Liquidation + Ashur Tablets is like crack cocaine to VTES players these days. Why does this deck need it? If you make a bunch of dudes and call a con boon, you will be gaining a ton of pool already. If you include more stealth instead of these extra master cards, your swarm vote can get it's actions through more effectively and even potentially bleed at stealth, too. Throw in suddens or something instead. Old Friends, a few govern, on the qui vive, and more deflection should go here. Maybe a vampire hunter to discourage rush?
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16 Jun 2011 14:04 - 16 Jun 2011 14:04 #5217
by Mephistopheles
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Replied by Mephistopheles on topic Re: Malkavian Breed Boon
The idea of Liquidation/Ashur here is to get rid of all those discipline cards (you are not cycling them back) while enabling early game pool gain. In the first couple of turns you can't generate enough pool gain with Con Boons.
Later in the game you can choose which cards you need to cycle back: stealth or krc/boon. What this deck needs and I just realised is Life Boon.
Later in the game you can choose which cards you need to cycle back: stealth or krc/boon. What this deck needs and I just realised is Life Boon.
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16 Jun 2011 14:04 #5218
by brandonsantacruz
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: Malkavian Breed Boon
Oh, and of course it needs lilith's blessing
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16 Jun 2011 14:08 #5219
by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: Malkavian Breed Boon
Well, it does look good on paper, no direct flaws that i can detect (and i especially like malkavian rider clause
), but :
1) When you pull your first minion out, and it is, say, Guilbert Duane, you know what the table is thinking...
And more often than not, you will eat that first rush, after which your game is as good as over (no blood to make progeny, forced to hunt if not diablerised, bla,bla)
2) your stealth package looks really, really light to me, even to the point that you may have problems with the early unmasking from your prey
3) Which brings me to the third point : Scourge of enochians kills you dead. I would not leave home without a uncoiling in any breed deck (plus, kills dragonbound, and unmasking, and other nasty stuff which hurts you). Also, i would find a place for a delaying or two, as i cannot see you having the majority of votes, and Ancilla empowerment and anarchistic uprising are nasty against any breed deck. I would also maybe think about Elysium: The Palace of Versailles, for some extra vote power.
4) I really don't feel that this deck needs ashur/liquidation/ anthelies engine, nor gazillion masters. I know it's fashionable, and stuff B) but you may choke to death on msters if your parthenon does not show up early, and what is it so important that you need recursions for? Not to mention that you have dominate, and can make your pool by governing down. Also, playing at the table with 2 ashur decks is good for anybody NOT running ashur
Just my 2 cents...

1) When you pull your first minion out, and it is, say, Guilbert Duane, you know what the table is thinking...

2) your stealth package looks really, really light to me, even to the point that you may have problems with the early unmasking from your prey
3) Which brings me to the third point : Scourge of enochians kills you dead. I would not leave home without a uncoiling in any breed deck (plus, kills dragonbound, and unmasking, and other nasty stuff which hurts you). Also, i would find a place for a delaying or two, as i cannot see you having the majority of votes, and Ancilla empowerment and anarchistic uprising are nasty against any breed deck. I would also maybe think about Elysium: The Palace of Versailles, for some extra vote power.
4) I really don't feel that this deck needs ashur/liquidation/ anthelies engine, nor gazillion masters. I know it's fashionable, and stuff B) but you may choke to death on msters if your parthenon does not show up early, and what is it so important that you need recursions for? Not to mention that you have dominate, and can make your pool by governing down. Also, playing at the table with 2 ashur decks is good for anybody NOT running ashur

Just my 2 cents...







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16 Jun 2011 14:32 #5221
by Kushiel
Replied by Kushiel on topic Re: Malkavian Breed Boon
I agree that the Ashur's/Liquidation/stuff combo doesn't really need to be here. I like the idea of dumping all those skillcards quickly, but you really don't need them all in the first place. Generally, if you have more than five progeny in play, the rest can get away with not having Obbfuscate since you're mainly relying on Veil the Legions and swarming to make your actions succeed at that point anyway. (And you should have more Veils in here.) A single copy of Barrens can get rid of unwanted skillcards for a lot less master-section overhead than what you're running here.
Consider some Cryptic Rider; on a vote-heavy table it can really shine for this kind of deck, since it allows you to chain Justicar votes and Rider Clauses in a way that'll surprise players who aren't expecting it. And for some reason, people rarely seem to expect Cryptic Rider, even from a deck like this where it's a natural fit.
Other stuff I agree with:
Suddens would be better than those other masters. You don't have a lot of offensive firepower here, so cancelling other players' poolgain is a good idea.
More stealth would be a good idea.
Uncoiling is a must.
Consider some Cryptic Rider; on a vote-heavy table it can really shine for this kind of deck, since it allows you to chain Justicar votes and Rider Clauses in a way that'll surprise players who aren't expecting it. And for some reason, people rarely seem to expect Cryptic Rider, even from a deck like this where it's a natural fit.
Other stuff I agree with:
Suddens would be better than those other masters. You don't have a lot of offensive firepower here, so cancelling other players' poolgain is a good idea.
More stealth would be a good idea.
Uncoiling is a must.
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