Clan disciplines challenge
29 Jun 2011 11:19 #5591
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
Clan disciplines challenge was created by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
I have thought about the clans that don't seem to have much synergy with their disciplines, such as the Lasombra, !Gangrel, Assamites, Gargoyles, and so on. There has to be some obscure way to utilize the discipline sets in a good fashion. So let's hear them! So the rules are simple, post a deck you think would be tournament viable and uses at least all three clan disciplines.
(!Gangrel have two sets of three, necromancy isn't a clan discipline for the Samedi, Malkavians have either Dom or Dem but you're missing the point if you post Malk94, what else, neither Abominations nor Panders have clan disciplines so they're out of the contest.)
Here's my stab at the Lasombra. This deck attempts to stay on the defensive with bounce and backwards Horseshoes if necessary. It doesn't attempt a fast oust but instead waits for the right moments to use it's limited bleeding power and see when Horseshoes can be used effectively. There's various cycling masters to get rid of what's dead cards against some tech.
It isn't really in the same league as a straight-up Lasombra stealth bleed but it's more flexible. Well, in theory at least.
Crypt : 12
2x Appius Claudius Corvus
2x Saul Meira
1x Conrad Adoula
1x Lord Vauxhall
1x Otieno
1x Black Wallace
1x Virgine, Prodigy
2x Ermenegildo, The Rake
1x Andrew Emory
Library : 90
Master : 20
3x Vessel
3x Blood Doll
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
3x The Path of Night
1x The Barrens
1x Pentex Subversion
1x Elysian Fields
1x Fame
1x The Admonitions
1x Dominion
2x Direct Intervention
20x Action
10x Govern the Unalinged
7x Horseshoes
1x Shadow Twin
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Carlton van Wyk
22x Action Modifier
8x Tenebrous Form
6x Shadow Play
2x Shroud of Absence
5x Conditioning
1x Foreshadowing Destruction
20x Reaction
6x On the Qui Vive
2x Wake With Evening's Freshness
8x Deflection
2x Redirection
2x Touch of Pain
8x Combat
5x Oubliette
3x Shadow Body
(!Gangrel have two sets of three, necromancy isn't a clan discipline for the Samedi, Malkavians have either Dom or Dem but you're missing the point if you post Malk94, what else, neither Abominations nor Panders have clan disciplines so they're out of the contest.)
Here's my stab at the Lasombra. This deck attempts to stay on the defensive with bounce and backwards Horseshoes if necessary. It doesn't attempt a fast oust but instead waits for the right moments to use it's limited bleeding power and see when Horseshoes can be used effectively. There's various cycling masters to get rid of what's dead cards against some tech.
It isn't really in the same league as a straight-up Lasombra stealth bleed but it's more flexible. Well, in theory at least.
Crypt : 12
2x Appius Claudius Corvus
2x Saul Meira
1x Conrad Adoula
1x Lord Vauxhall
1x Otieno
1x Black Wallace
1x Virgine, Prodigy
2x Ermenegildo, The Rake
1x Andrew Emory
Library : 90
Master : 20
3x Vessel
3x Blood Doll
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
3x The Path of Night
1x The Barrens
1x Pentex Subversion
1x Elysian Fields
1x Fame
1x The Admonitions
1x Dominion
2x Direct Intervention
20x Action
10x Govern the Unalinged
7x Horseshoes
1x Shadow Twin
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Carlton van Wyk
22x Action Modifier
8x Tenebrous Form
6x Shadow Play
2x Shroud of Absence
5x Conditioning
1x Foreshadowing Destruction
20x Reaction
6x On the Qui Vive
2x Wake With Evening's Freshness
8x Deflection
2x Redirection
2x Touch of Pain
8x Combat
5x Oubliette
3x Shadow Body



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30 Jun 2011 17:54 #5656
by ICL
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Lasombra seem an odd choice for lack of good synergy. Tangle of Atropos' Hand theoretically works well with stealth and bleed (my results so far suggest not). Arms of the Abyss + Disarm/Thrown Sewer Lid/Heroic Might/etc. + Graverobbing.
Good is certainly questionable, but I had a deck built around Stutter Step, Flesh of Marble and Claws of the Dead, Disguised Weapon (Bomb), and Ghoul Retainer for the terrible City Gangrel combination. This could be simplified to Disguised Bomb, Flesh of Marble, Celerity run away and hide. City Gangrel could use Protean and Celerity intercept for "defense" and Protean and Obfuscate for vote push ... well, only in the sort of decks I might build. You said something about "good", didn't you? Well, maybe I'll think of something.
Good is certainly questionable, but I had a deck built around Stutter Step, Flesh of Marble and Claws of the Dead, Disguised Weapon (Bomb), and Ghoul Retainer for the terrible City Gangrel combination. This could be simplified to Disguised Bomb, Flesh of Marble, Celerity run away and hide. City Gangrel could use Protean and Celerity intercept for "defense" and Protean and Obfuscate for vote push ... well, only in the sort of decks I might build. You said something about "good", didn't you? Well, maybe I'll think of something.
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01 Jul 2011 12:22 #5682
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
Replied by Demnogonis Saastuttaja on topic Re: Clan disciplines challenge
Well I have experimented with the Lasombra a lot and I find that OBT DOM have good synergy, DOM POT can also be a basis of a good deck, but OBT DOM POT is just weird.
I had a Bundi CEL PRO OBF deck. The less said about that, the better
However I think something based around Ellen Fence could work, it's just that if you do WWS combat, Celerity is easy to use, you can do something with Protean (Earth Meld + Psyche, why not), but Obfuscate doesn't give much. Sacrificial Lamb?
I had a Bundi CEL PRO OBF deck. The less said about that, the better




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01 Jul 2011 12:40 - 01 Jul 2011 12:42 #5690
by Joscha
Baron of Frankfurt
Replied by Joscha on topic Re: Clan disciplines challenge
I try a Harbingers Walldeck tonight. It relys on Necromancy and Auspex. I'm not awaiting much, but maybe it is stronger than thought.
Deck Name: The Shroud
Created By: Joscha Düll
Description: Harbingerwall with Puppeteers.
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 30, Avg: 6,41)
3 Babalawo Alafin ani AUS FOR NEC7 Harbingers of Skulls
2 Mordechai Ben-Nun ANI AUS FOR NEC8 Harbingers of Skulls
1 Nicomedes aus for nec vic5 Harbingers of Skulls
2 Sennadurek dom AUS NEC 6 Nagaraja
1 Solomon Batanea nec AUS FOR 5 Harbingers of Skulls
3 Zygodat pot AUS NEC 6 Harbingers of Skulls
Library: (75 cards)
Master (18 cards)
1 Channel 10
1 Giant`s Blood
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Powerbase: Barranquilla
1 Powerbase: Montreal
2 Powerbase: Tshwane
1 Rack, The
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1 Smiling Jack, The Anarch
1 Therbold Realty
3 Vessel
2 Villein
Marrakesh Codex would be great too, but I have too many masters anyway.
Action (2 cards)
1 Abbot
1 Revelations
Action Modifier (9 cards)
2 Call of the Hungry Dead
3 Shroud Mastery
4 Trochomancy
Reaction (20 cards)
4 Enhanced Senses
7 Eyes of Argus
2 My Enemy`s Enemy
3 Precognition
4 Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (4 cards)
2 Spiritual Intervention
2 Target Vitals
Ally (6 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
5 Puppeteer (Wraith) (I'm not sure on these, but I want to try them and it has good synergy with Breath of Thanatos. I hope to send a vamp to torpor and steal a minion with Pupp. to diablerize. Would be cool.)
Retainer (2 cards)
1 Mr. Winthrop (should be a Superbowl)
1 Shaman (could be a Superbowl, but want to try).
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Erebus Mask
1 Ivory Bow
1 Shaal Fragment
Combo (11 cards)
7 Breath of Thanatos (to make the blocks count)
4 Spectral Divination
Maybe an NSA Trio would be great to counter S:CE. In my playgroup are not many guys who play many Combat Ends.
This deck was last saved at 16:32:08 on 01.07.11
I didn't squeeze in Fortitude, as some of the Harbingers have a strange mix of disciplines and the deck was big enough anyway. Does it still suffice the challenge?
Deck Name: The Shroud
Created By: Joscha Düll
Description: Harbingerwall with Puppeteers.
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 30, Avg: 6,41)
3 Babalawo Alafin ani AUS FOR NEC7 Harbingers of Skulls
2 Mordechai Ben-Nun ANI AUS FOR NEC8 Harbingers of Skulls
1 Nicomedes aus for nec vic5 Harbingers of Skulls
2 Sennadurek dom AUS NEC 6 Nagaraja
1 Solomon Batanea nec AUS FOR 5 Harbingers of Skulls
3 Zygodat pot AUS NEC 6 Harbingers of Skulls
Library: (75 cards)
Master (18 cards)
1 Channel 10
1 Giant`s Blood
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Powerbase: Barranquilla
1 Powerbase: Montreal
2 Powerbase: Tshwane
1 Rack, The
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1 Smiling Jack, The Anarch
1 Therbold Realty
3 Vessel
2 Villein
Marrakesh Codex would be great too, but I have too many masters anyway.
Action (2 cards)
1 Abbot
1 Revelations
Action Modifier (9 cards)
2 Call of the Hungry Dead
3 Shroud Mastery
4 Trochomancy
Reaction (20 cards)
4 Enhanced Senses
7 Eyes of Argus
2 My Enemy`s Enemy
3 Precognition
4 Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (4 cards)
2 Spiritual Intervention
2 Target Vitals
Ally (6 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
5 Puppeteer (Wraith) (I'm not sure on these, but I want to try them and it has good synergy with Breath of Thanatos. I hope to send a vamp to torpor and steal a minion with Pupp. to diablerize. Would be cool.)
Retainer (2 cards)
1 Mr. Winthrop (should be a Superbowl)
1 Shaman (could be a Superbowl, but want to try).
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Erebus Mask
1 Ivory Bow
1 Shaal Fragment
Combo (11 cards)
7 Breath of Thanatos (to make the blocks count)
4 Spectral Divination
Maybe an NSA Trio would be great to counter S:CE. In my playgroup are not many guys who play many Combat Ends.
This deck was last saved at 16:32:08 on 01.07.11
I didn't squeeze in Fortitude, as some of the Harbingers have a strange mix of disciplines and the deck was big enough anyway. Does it still suffice the challenge?
Baron of Frankfurt
Last edit: 01 Jul 2011 12:42 by Joscha.
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02 Jul 2011 07:07 - 02 Jul 2011 07:07 #5719
by Joscha
Baron of Frankfurt
Replied by Joscha on topic Re: Clan disciplines challenge
The performance of the deck was good. It took the game win with 3 VPs on a four player table. It was me -> Ahrimanes with a bad master handjam and because of that no Speak with Spirits -> Ventrue Lawfirm g1/2 -> Lasombra bruise/bleed. The puppeteers had no targets because of the high caps. of the minions. But they blocked the bruisers now and then. The aggr. strikes kept the potence guys from going to second round without an Immortal Grapple, so that was good. In the end I suffered severly from Arika's special (each unique location cost pool to keep). But the combination of intercept plus aggr. damage gave me the advantage in the end. Stars of the game: Shaal Fragment (awwwwesome) and Nicomedes special for shuffling your hand into your library. I used it only once, but to great success.
An issue is the blood management of the vampires. As I block often and want to play agg. damage and have to rely on the minions to give blood back to my pool they often find themselves at blood problems. I was lucky to get a Giant's Blood and the Rack to help me. I don't like Palatial Estate and Procurer because of their blood costs. A Guardian Angel is another expensive master card. What do you guys think of a Masochism?
An issue is the blood management of the vampires. As I block often and want to play agg. damage and have to rely on the minions to give blood back to my pool they often find themselves at blood problems. I was lucky to get a Giant's Blood and the Rack to help me. I don't like Palatial Estate and Procurer because of their blood costs. A Guardian Angel is another expensive master card. What do you guys think of a Masochism?
Baron of Frankfurt
Last edit: 02 Jul 2011 07:07 by Joscha.
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02 Jul 2011 10:25 #5725
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Clan disciplines challenge
You could always try restorations and/or perfectionists. Also I would go for more attrition combat with lots of fortitude prevent and Mercy for Seths to wither down other peoples minions.
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