Red Sign Russia

Haven't receved any news from storilane mail, so posting here in case of ... i don't know. Just for somebodys amusement also.

Table 1

PARTICIPANTS (list name, clan played, GWs, VPs):
1. Grigory Cherbakov Tremere 2 vp
2. Anton Agranovich Kiasyds 2 vp
3. Prischepa Konstantin Toreadors
4. Sergey Simonov Ravnos
5. _________________________________________________________________________

HOW DID THE GAME END?
Normally

DID ANYONE USE THE NEW CRYPT/LIBRARY CARDS?
No

MOST PROMINENT VAMPIRE MINIONS (and why):
1. Dr. John Dee, blooooks
2. Troius, blooooks___
3. Arkadian, bleeeed___
4. Greer Worder, Bleeeed__________________
5. Tumnimos, place several counters on red sign

MOST PROMINENT MAGE MINIONS (and why):
1. _________________________________________________________________________
2. _________________________________________________________________________
3. _________________________________________________________________________
4. _________________________________________________________________________
5. _________________________________________________________________________

NOTES/COMMENTS:

Toreadors was killed wery fast, ravnos - not so much, but nobody still can break tremere wall
Week on nightmares was played

Table 2

PARTICIPANTS (list name, clan played, GWs, VPs):
1. Denis Nikolaev, Gangrel, 3vp GW
2. Egor Len'shin, !Bruja
3. Armen Khachikyan, Nosferatu, 1vp
4. Pavel Khachikyan, Ventrue
5. _________________________________________________________________________

HOW DID THE GAME END?
Normally

DID ANYONE USE THE NEW CRYPT/LIBRARY CARDS?
No

MOST PROMINENT VAMPIRE MINIONS (and why):
1. Fakir al Sidi, for combat (tau+for+pro), blocks, cancel politics, bleed, playing giant blood ets
2. Cock Robin for being lesser star succumbing to fakir in the final combat of the game
3. Gector for puting several smaller nosfers in torpor and then being beeten by Cock
4. Mary Anne Blair for influencing swarm of prinses but still sucking
5. Jacob Fermor and Calvin Cleaver for putting counter on Red Sign

MOST PROMINENT MAGE MINIONS (and why):
1. _________________________________________________________________________
2. _________________________________________________________________________
3. _________________________________________________________________________
4. _________________________________________________________________________
5. _________________________________________________________________________

NOTES/COMMENTS:
Table was full of politicysing with ton of votes and complicated situation - Gangrels was generally "walling", whyle !bruja and nosfers traded back and force combat. Finally Cock manages to torporize all of them and just bleed to death exosted ventrue (don't know what happened with bounce). But in the dramatic final battle with Fakir Cock fell (out of combat cards) and then all was over.

Another won for Villein + Giant's Blood on the second table ?

Lech wrote:

Another won for Villein + Giant's Blood on the second table ?

He-he, no, just Giant's Blood when nearly empty after burning blood to cancel Ventrue referendums.

elotar wrote:

Lech wrote:

Another won for Villein + Giant's Blood on the second table ?

He-he, no, just Giant's Blood when nearly empty after burning blood to cancel Ventrue referendums.

Isn't that argument for "from villein and giant's blood, it's the latter problematic, not the former ?"

Lech wrote:

Isn't that argument for "from villein and giant's blood, it's the latter problematic, not the former ?"

Yea, we've banned lilith blessing, let's ban GB and all other replenishing blood cards!

Villein is broken, cause it allows "free and fast" trade of not so important resource (blood) to most important (pool). While it last you'll always see dumb swingy effects.

Just any fatty + villein is quite broken.

To be fair, i'd prefer something in between villein and vessel.

Bloodsucker
Master
Trifle
Move 2 blood from your vampire to your pool and attach. You may burn it during your master to move up to 3 blood from attached vampire to your pool.

Main problem with villein is that it allow too much tempo gain (ie, the gain is too fast), not that it move blood from vampires to pool - it was done before and will be done latter as it's quite logical game design upon which most cards are balanced. (blood doll minion tap vessel)

Creating resources (be it blood and pool) from the thin air however, create very serious problems, as you can just move those resources around.

If there would be no villein, giant's blood would still be problematic, just less decks would use it (and those who do, would benefit even more).

I wasn't very precise, it's master phase pool gain out of thin air that is problematic - as minion phase pool out of thin air, while very powerful (govern the unaligned, gain 3 pool and 3 transfers for 1 blood), can be at least interacted with, which cannot be said about master phase (yes, i know wash exist, it's still isn't fun interaction).

So while villein may be too good (yes, i agree it is, thats why i use/abuse it), it's still just moves counters around, and you can't take the blood you don't have on your vampires.

Sorry for rant.