TWD - 10th Hiekkaharju Nightmare - 11.05.2019, Vantaa Finland

Nybzt wrote:

Game timed out bit later with me being most likely to drop next. We were playing with the rule of 10 min extra time/oust. That caused weird interaction since Tommi with the Girls deck could have gone after me to get one more turn to play even though he himself would not get oust since Louhi was in 10+ pool.

This is something to be considered when pondering if the extra time rule will be permanently added.

Not that you could prevent it (and it is certainly very much PTW) but still something to be aware when making the decision.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Lönkka wrote:

I call BS on that.

In the tournament I played Immortal Grapple even if I didn't have in my deck a single vampire with Potence / any Potence Discipline Masters...

Reality Mirror?

Leech.
Muddles is awesome with Grapple!

Mewcat wrote:

I petition that lonkka must change signature line from

NC, Finland
Finnish Politics!

to

NC, Finland
Stealth bleed forever!

1) there is no lonkka. If you are unable to spell Lönkka you should just follow to the discussion and not participate...

2) Please elaborate why you feel the change is necessary? I had zero (0) bleed cards in my deck. Besides if would be quite silly to think someone plays just one kind of deck.

www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&id=13802

This is metagaming, folks

Lönkka wrote:

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Lönkka wrote:

I call BS on that.

In the tournament I played Immortal Grapple even if I didn't have in my deck a single vampire with Potence / any Potence Discipline Masters...

Reality Mirror?

Leech.
Muddles is awesome with Grapple!

Mewcat wrote:

I petition that lonkka must change signature line from

NC, Finland
Finnish Politics!

to

NC, Finland
Stealth bleed forever!

1) there is no lonkka. If you are unable to spell Lönkka you should just follow to the discussion and not participate...

2) Please elaborate why you feel the change is necessary? I had zero (0) bleed cards in my deck. Besides if would be quite silly to think someone plays just one kind of deck.

www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&id=13802

It isn't anything specific about your deck, I have no idea what you play. The final tables I see for the Finnish tournaments are always stealth bleed fests, although they aren't a lot different here. The sig line just gives the impression that it's a combat rich meta which seems to be far from the case.

Lol. Looked at your deck. Pretty sweet. Looks like fun.

Mewcat wrote:

It isn't anything specific about your deck, I have no idea what you play. The final tables I see for the Finnish tournaments are always stealth bleed fests, although they aren't a lot different here. The sig line just gives the impression that it's a combat rich meta which seems to be far from the case.

Are they now. Firstly: people play combat here in Finland a lot, but not as much in tournaments because combat is a shitty wincon. Those who play it in tournaments don't get to the finals much because combat is a shitty wincon. Remember what I have written about looking at TWDA only.

However, I would like to contest the claim that finals are SB fests. Finns often play very toolbox-y decks that feature multiple aspects, stealth of which is only one. For example, winner of this tournament, the Lasombra deck, is specifically a stealth VOTE deck. It didn't have that many actual bleed cards. Just looking that it is a Lasombra deck and assuming its SB is wrong.

I went through the trouble of compiling a list of decktypes from recent Finnish tournaments. I might have made mistakes, and I might mislabel some decks because of their indeed toolboxy aspects. But here is some:

Black forest base II
Ally swarm 1
SB 2
wall 1
stealth V&B 1

10th Hiekkaharju
girls 1
toolbox 2
stealth vote 1
SB 1

9th hiekkaharju
ally swarm 1
girls 1
ally grinder 3

Zillah's tears II
combat 2
SB 1
girls 1
baltimore purge 1

Black forest base I
won by a !ventrue grinder, no further info on final table

8th Hiekkaharju
grinder 1
SB 2
stealth V&B 1
toolbox 1

Outocon 2018
toolbox 1
ally grinder 1
combat 2
swarm bleed 1

Zillah's tears I
combat 1
toolbox 2
swarm bleed 1
stealth V&B

Finnish nationals 2018
girls 1
toolbox 1
SB 2
grinder 1

I hope everyone plays combat at the next one. Would be grand.