NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali!
21 Sep 2011 08:50 - 21 Sep 2011 08:53 #10680
by Baaliprimogen
NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali! was created by Baaliprimogen
Ecaterina the Wise
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9

Sabbat Bishop
+1 stealth agains Camarilla vampires. Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum requiering a Camarilla Prince.
Synner-G
Gangrel Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat
Synner-G untaps if he successfully equips with a Laptop Computer. He also gets +1 stealth while bleeding with Computer Hacking and/or Laptop Computer.
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8

Sabbat. Black Hand. Falstaff may enter combat with any younger non-Black Hand Vampire. During combat he may play any card from your research area, as it was from your hand.
El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat. At close range, El Diabo Verde and the opposing minion may only make hand strikes.
Soeur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 7

Sabbat. +1 bleed against infernal. +1 bleed against Bahari
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7

Sabbat Once during your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other meths. library to your research area.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9

Sabbat. Obtenbration cards cost Lord Marcus 1 less blood. If Path of Night is in play Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept and +1 strength
Josephine the Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4

Sabbat Josephine may play any
Vicissitude card from your research area as it was from your hand
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9




Sabbat Bishop
+1 stealth agains Camarilla vampires. Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum requiering a Camarilla Prince.
Synner-G
Gangrel Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat
Synner-G untaps if he successfully equips with a Laptop Computer. He also gets +1 stealth while bleeding with Computer Hacking and/or Laptop Computer.
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8




Sabbat. Black Hand. Falstaff may enter combat with any younger non-Black Hand Vampire. During combat he may play any card from your research area, as it was from your hand.
El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat. At close range, El Diabo Verde and the opposing minion may only make hand strikes.
Soeur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 7



Sabbat. +1 bleed against infernal. +1 bleed against Bahari
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7




Sabbat Once during your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other meths. library to your research area.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9




Sabbat. Obtenbration cards cost Lord Marcus 1 less blood. If Path of Night is in play Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept and +1 strength
Josephine the Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4


Sabbat Josephine may play any




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21 Sep 2011 11:31 - 21 Sep 2011 11:51 #10693
by technobabble66
Replied by technobabble66 on topic Re: NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali!
I'm not necessarily good w accurately gauging the power-curve, but here are my immediate thoughts:
*Ecaterina the Wise
Looks v g & strong, maybe a bit too strong so need to drop the +1 stealth bit
*Synner-G
Similarly, i'd play him in any weenie OBF deck just with the first part of the caption. Maybe drop the 2nd sentence
*Falstaff
Looks great. V g idea w BH & Research tech
*El Diablo Verde
General caption is a great idea. Not sure about the overall minion tho. A 3-cap w POT seems pretty good by itself. A minion w an inbuilt Immortal Grapple is awesome. Rolling it all into 1 seems a bit much tho. Maybe either make it a 4-5 cap, or redesign the cap/disc's of the minion & then add the caption. Maybe give leave it as a 3-cap !Nos, but give it ANI or OBF instead.
Maybe add a negative caption to balance also
*Soeur Jeanne
Seems great. A little tech to shaft infernal & especially Bahari is welcome.
*Naomi McKellar
Seems great. Interesting caption
*Lord Marcus
Generally good, but for a 9-cap the Discipline combo is odd; and the 2 sentence abt Path of Night is waaay too strong. Maybe better to drop the 2nd sentence (or just keep 1 buff, eg: the +1 str) & bring up the disc's to include POT (tho it's hard to ignore how good any 9-cap is w DOM!)
*Josephine the Seamstress of Flesh
Seems great, tho a bit too strong for a 4-cap. Maybe make her a 5-cap?
*Ecaterina the Wise
Looks v g & strong, maybe a bit too strong so need to drop the +1 stealth bit
*Synner-G
Similarly, i'd play him in any weenie OBF deck just with the first part of the caption. Maybe drop the 2nd sentence
*Falstaff
Looks great. V g idea w BH & Research tech
*El Diablo Verde
General caption is a great idea. Not sure about the overall minion tho. A 3-cap w POT seems pretty good by itself. A minion w an inbuilt Immortal Grapple is awesome. Rolling it all into 1 seems a bit much tho. Maybe either make it a 4-5 cap, or redesign the cap/disc's of the minion & then add the caption. Maybe give leave it as a 3-cap !Nos, but give it ANI or OBF instead.
Maybe add a negative caption to balance also
*Soeur Jeanne
Seems great. A little tech to shaft infernal & especially Bahari is welcome.
*Naomi McKellar
Seems great. Interesting caption
*Lord Marcus
Generally good, but for a 9-cap the Discipline combo is odd; and the 2 sentence abt Path of Night is waaay too strong. Maybe better to drop the 2nd sentence (or just keep 1 buff, eg: the +1 str) & bring up the disc's to include POT (tho it's hard to ignore how good any 9-cap is w DOM!)
*Josephine the Seamstress of Flesh
Seems great, tho a bit too strong for a 4-cap. Maybe make her a 5-cap?
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21 Sep 2011 13:01 - 21 Sep 2011 13:03 #10698
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali!
Ecaterina the Wise
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9

Sabbat bishop:+1 stealth against Camarilla vampires. Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum that requires a Camarilla Prince.
The stealth wording is weird, but anyway I'll drop it. She already has useful disciplines plus a very strong special and a title. I would make her archbishop though.
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Ecaterina the Wise
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9

Sabbat Archbishop of Prague: Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum that requires a Camarilla Prince.
Synner-G
Gangrel Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: Synner-G untaps if he successfully equips with a Laptop Computer. Healso gets +1 stealth while bleeding with Computer Hacking and/or Laptop Computer.
Seems fine.
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8

Sabbat. Black Hand: Falstaff may enter combat with a younger non-Black Hand vampire as a
action. During combat he may play any card from your research area, as it was from your hand.
Nice idea, though I don't know if it will be very useful for a !Malkavian (even with pot).
I would reword it though (see Erciyes Fragments).
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8

Sabbat. Black Hand: Falstaff may enter combat with a younger non-Black Hand vampire as a
action. He may play combat cards from your research area as if playing them from your hand.
El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: At close range, El Diabo Verde and the opposing minion may only use hand strikes.
He's undercosted. See Arriette Sylla or Stick. His grapple like effect is not a drawback. I would make it:
El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: At close range, El Diabo Verde may only use hand strikes.
Sœur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 7

Sabbat: +1 bleed against infernal. +1 bleed against Bahari
She's overcosted. I would make her 6-cap. The wording is odd here too.
Sœur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 6

Sabbat: Sœur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready infernal vampire. Sœur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Bahari vampire.
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7

Sabbat:Once during your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other Methuselah's library to your research area.
This is more a Harbinger's special. The discipline splash is strange.
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7

Sabbat: During your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other Methuselah's library to your research area.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9

Sabbat: Obtenebration cards cost Lord Marcus 1 less blood. If The Path of Night is in play, Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept, and +1 strength
Seems fine to me. His special is nice, but he doesn't have many disciplines for a 9-cap. I would drop the blood reducer though, because it's unnecessary.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9

Sabbat: If The Path of Night is in play, Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept, and +1 strength.
Josephine, The Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4

Sabbat: Josephine may play any
Vicissitude card from your research area as it was from your hand
She's ok. I changed the wording to match Erciyes'.
Josephine, The Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4

Sabbat: Josephine may play cards that require Viscissitude [vic] from your research area as if playing them from your hand.
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9




Sabbat bishop:+1 stealth against Camarilla vampires. Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum that requires a Camarilla Prince.
The stealth wording is weird, but anyway I'll drop it. She already has useful disciplines plus a very strong special and a title. I would make her archbishop though.
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Ecaterina the Wise
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9




Sabbat Archbishop of Prague: Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum that requires a Camarilla Prince.
Synner-G
Gangrel Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: Synner-G untaps if he successfully equips with a Laptop Computer. He
Seems fine.
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8




Sabbat. Black Hand: Falstaff may enter combat with a younger non-Black Hand vampire as a

Nice idea, though I don't know if it will be very useful for a !Malkavian (even with pot).
I would reword it though (see Erciyes Fragments).
Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8




Sabbat. Black Hand: Falstaff may enter combat with a younger non-Black Hand vampire as a

El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: At close range, El Diabo Verde and the opposing minion may only use hand strikes.
He's undercosted. See Arriette Sylla or Stick. His grapple like effect is not a drawback. I would make it:
El Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3

Sabbat: At close range, El Diabo Verde may only use hand strikes.
Sœur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 7



Sabbat: +1 bleed against infernal. +1 bleed against Bahari
She's overcosted. I would make her 6-cap. The wording is odd here too.
Sœur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 6



Sabbat: Sœur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready infernal vampire. Sœur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Bahari vampire.
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7




Sabbat:
This is more a Harbinger's special. The discipline splash is strange.
Naomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7




Sabbat: During your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other Methuselah's library to your research area.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9




Sabbat: Obtenebration cards cost Lord Marcus 1 less blood. If The Path of Night is in play, Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept, and +1 strength
Seems fine to me. His special is nice, but he doesn't have many disciplines for a 9-cap. I would drop the blood reducer though, because it's unnecessary.
Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9




Sabbat: If The Path of Night is in play, Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept, and +1 strength.
Josephine, The Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4


Sabbat: Josephine may play any

She's ok. I changed the wording to match Erciyes'.
Josephine, The Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4


Sabbat: Josephine may play cards that require Viscissitude [vic] from your research area as if playing them from your hand.
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21 Sep 2011 13:18 #10700
by Brum
Replied by Brum on topic Re: NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali!
I like the cards allot, after the tweaks from Ankha.
I love cannon vampire releases.
Maybe El Diablo Verde's weakness is not enough.
"El Diablo Verde may not equip or use ranged weapons", due to his Pro Wrestling background.
I love cannon vampire releases.
Maybe El Diablo Verde's weakness is not enough.
"El Diablo Verde may not equip or use ranged weapons", due to his Pro Wrestling background.
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21 Sep 2011 13:28 #10701
by Mael
Her first special needs to be reworded. Probably should be "Camarilla vampires get -1 intercept when attempting to block Ecaterina". In her second special, the word "Camarilla" is redundant.
I think overall she's slightly overcost. Her second special is interesting but, in a deck built using those votes, she'd either be the only vampire you have able to call them, or she'd be worse at calling them than your other vampires. So not as powerful a special as it first seems.
is already a very good (but balanced) vampire. With his special he should either be higher capacity, or have a crippling disadvantage.
Also, her text should be reworded, assuming you want her abilities to stack it should read "Soeur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready infernal minion, and an additional +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Bahari."
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Interesting vampire. Why not an Archbishop?Ecaterina the Wise
Brujah Antitribu
Cap 9
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Sabbat Bishop
+1 stealth agains Camarilla vampires. Ecaterina may burn two blood to call a referendum requiring a Camarilla Prince.
Her first special needs to be reworded. Probably should be "Camarilla vampires get -1 intercept when attempting to block Ecaterina". In her second special, the word "Camarilla" is redundant.
I think overall she's slightly overcost. Her second special is interesting but, in a deck built using those votes, she'd either be the only vampire you have able to call them, or she'd be worse at calling them than your other vampires. So not as powerful a special as it first seems.
Too cheap. I'd give him one or the other of those specials, not both.Synner-G
Gangrel Antitribu
Cap 3
Sabbat
Synner-G untaps if he successfully equips with a Laptop Computer. He also gets +1 stealth while bleeding with Computer Hacking and/or Laptop Computer
With the currently existing research tech, he's severely underpowered. If that situation changes, he's probably still about 1 point short of where he should be.Falstaff
Malkavian Antitribu
Cap 8
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Sabbat. Black Hand. Falstaff may enter combat with any younger non-Black Hand Vampire. During combat he may play any card from your research area, as it was from your hand.
Far too strong. A 3 cap withEl Diablo Verde
Nosferatu Antitribu
Cap 3
Sabbat. At close range, El Diabo Verde and the opposing minion may only make hand strikes.

Not worth 7 cap, should be 6. Her first bonus is conditional on a very rare trait, her second on a trait that can only be given by someone to their own vampires and no-one in the game starts with.Soeur Jeanne
Toreador Antitribu
Cap 7
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Sabbat. +1 bleed against infernal. +1 bleed against Bahari
Also, her text should be reworded, assuming you want her abilities to stack it should read "Soeur Jeanne gets +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready infernal minion, and an additional +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Bahari."
Seems balanced. Would be interesting in a Harbringers mill deck (2 of their G6 haveNaomi McKellar
Ventrue Antitribu
Cap 7
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Sabbat Once during your untap phase, you may move the top card of any other meths. library to your research area.


His second special is probably too powerful to put on a 9 cap vampire. I know his discipline spread is hideously low to balance this, but I don't think it works overall.Lord Marcus
Lasombra
Cap 9
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Sabbat. Obtenbration cards cost Lord Marcus 1 less blood. If Path of Night is in play Lord Marcus gets +1 bleed, +1 stealth, +1 intercept and +1 strength
As it stands, this is balanced. It depends on whether the designers intend for many more uses of the research area. I would probably suggest a minor disadvantage (eg a penalty against a specific clan).Josephine the Seamstress of Flesh
Tzimisce
Cap 4
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Sabbat Josephine may play anyVicissitude card from your research area as it was from your hand
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21 Sep 2011 15:46 #10729
by Baaliprimogen
Replied by Baaliprimogen on topic Re: NEW CARDS. From the Primogen of the Baali!
Thanks for your feedback! Good suggestions. All the Vamps are VtM cannon. Thanks for all the rewording. Not so good there.
Ecaterina
In VtM she is Bishop in New York before the siege. After the siege she is still there. But everybody thinks she is Camarilla. Hench her special. I guess we could drop the +1 stealth. Her title...not sure. Bishop if you go by VtM, she is also a important vampire in Prague in the Dark Ages. So yeah, she could be a Archbishop there.
Synner-G
Hum. Do you think that his wording is worth more than 1 capacity?
Falstaff
The idea was to improve the research mechanic. And to use it with Art of War card. Se below. I had originally included
in his skill sett. But removed it. Maybe he should get
instead.
El Diablo Verde
Wrestler. In VtM he is a 13gen !nos with Potence level 5. So that's why he's 3cap with
but I agree. He is overpowered. I think he should still be cap3 but maybe only give him
. Do you think "El Diablo Verde may not equip or use ranged weapons" is enough to grant him
and cap3?
Sœur Jeanne
Yeah. Cap 6 would maybe be fine. Then she is very good. I'm a little afraid to give vampires too good a wording and not justify it with a little higher cap. (Not including El Diabol
)
Naomi McKellar
She is a Sabbat spy in Melbourne. That's why I gave her
Lord Marcus
Ok. I did go a little over the top here. In VtM he is rewarded as the founder of the Path of Night. I gave him
to be able to play Shadowed Eyes as superior.
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Art Deco
Malkavian Antitribu
cap 5

Sabbat. Art Deco may play any
dementation card from your research area as it was from your hand.
Art of War
Master
But any number of combat cards from your hand to your research area. Or discard this card as an out-of-turn master card during combat. In that combat, your vampire may play any combat card (requierments must be meet) from your research area.
My truth
Action Modifier
+1 bleed if the Methuselah you are bleeding has a minion of the same sub-sect as the acting vampire (Bahari, Anarch, Black Hand)
Lillian Hierophant
Action
Requiers a Bahari. Unique
This Bahari gains 2 additional votes. Any titled vampire of the same sect may burn this card as a
action.
All Hail Lillitu
Action
Requiers a Bahari
This vampire gains +x bleed. Where X is the number of torture counters controlled on the methuselah beeing bleed. Any non-bahari vampire may enter combat with this vampire.
Power of Lillith
Master
Cost X
Requiers Bahari
Put this card on a vampire you control and choose either
. This vampire gains 1 level of that Discipline. X is the number of other Power of Lillith in play.
I know what you are!
Action
Cost 1 pool.
Only usable against a Bahari of the same non-independent sect. That Bahari goes to topor and becomes independent.
Collecting the Bounty
Action Modifier/Reaction
Usable by a tapped vampire.
Only usable after a combat involving this Vampire and a minion with a contract naming this Vampire. Only usable if the opposing minion is not ready and this Vampire is ready. This Vampire gains a Trophy that is in play, and the contract is burned if still in play.
Clensing the herasy.
Requiers a Justicar, Inner Circle, Regent, Priscus or Cardinal
Political Action
If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. All non-Bahari vampires gets +1 intercept against actions made by Bahari vampires. And the may enter combat with them as a +1 stealth action.
Judgment: Bahari
Type: Action
Requires: prince,justicar, Archbishop, Cardinal, Priscus
Cost: 1 blood
+1 stealth action.
Put this card in play. Each Methuselah controlling a Bahari vampire burns 1 pool during his or her untap phase. Any Methuselah may burn this card by burning a Bahari vampire he or she controls during his or her master phase.
Ecaterina
In VtM she is Bishop in New York before the siege. After the siege she is still there. But everybody thinks she is Camarilla. Hench her special. I guess we could drop the +1 stealth. Her title...not sure. Bishop if you go by VtM, she is also a important vampire in Prague in the Dark Ages. So yeah, she could be a Archbishop there.
Synner-G
Hum. Do you think that his wording is worth more than 1 capacity?
Falstaff
The idea was to improve the research mechanic. And to use it with Art of War card. Se below. I had originally included


El Diablo Verde
Wrestler. In VtM he is a 13gen !nos with Potence level 5. So that's why he's 3cap with



Sœur Jeanne
Yeah. Cap 6 would maybe be fine. Then she is very good. I'm a little afraid to give vampires too good a wording and not justify it with a little higher cap. (Not including El Diabol

Naomi McKellar
She is a Sabbat spy in Melbourne. That's why I gave her

Lord Marcus
Ok. I did go a little over the top here. In VtM he is rewarded as the founder of the Path of Night. I gave him

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Written in other posts.
Art Deco
Malkavian Antitribu
cap 5



Sabbat. Art Deco may play any

Art of War
Master
But any number of combat cards from your hand to your research area. Or discard this card as an out-of-turn master card during combat. In that combat, your vampire may play any combat card (requierments must be meet) from your research area.
My truth
Action Modifier
+1 bleed if the Methuselah you are bleeding has a minion of the same sub-sect as the acting vampire (Bahari, Anarch, Black Hand)
Lillian Hierophant
Action
Requiers a Bahari. Unique
This Bahari gains 2 additional votes. Any titled vampire of the same sect may burn this card as a

All Hail Lillitu
Action
Requiers a Bahari
This vampire gains +x bleed. Where X is the number of torture counters controlled on the methuselah beeing bleed. Any non-bahari vampire may enter combat with this vampire.
Power of Lillith
Master
Cost X
Requiers Bahari
Put this card on a vampire you control and choose either









I know what you are!
Action
Cost 1 pool.

Collecting the Bounty
Action Modifier/Reaction
Usable by a tapped vampire.
Only usable after a combat involving this Vampire and a minion with a contract naming this Vampire. Only usable if the opposing minion is not ready and this Vampire is ready. This Vampire gains a Trophy that is in play, and the contract is burned if still in play.
Clensing the herasy.
Requiers a Justicar, Inner Circle, Regent, Priscus or Cardinal
Political Action
If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. All non-Bahari vampires gets +1 intercept against actions made by Bahari vampires. And the may enter combat with them as a +1 stealth action.
Judgment: Bahari
Type: Action
Requires: prince,justicar, Archbishop, Cardinal, Priscus
Cost: 1 blood
+1 stealth action.
Put this card in play. Each Methuselah controlling a Bahari vampire burns 1 pool during his or her untap phase. Any Methuselah may burn this card by burning a Bahari vampire he or she controls during his or her master phase.



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