Fortitude reaction card

Good points all.

i realized that there are masters that do "almost" exactly what "Take the Fall" would do.

but isn't potence and celerity full of cards doing almost the same thing (punch for more than 1/ maneuver or additional strike or both), but with subtly different effects? also the different wakes/forceds.

the problem with AI, is that we still lose an outright 3 pool. and with Villein, timing would be an issue, as you can only do it on your own turn.

with take the fall, we could probably buy some time, especially if we have big caps, to take a few damage initially, and then beat the crap out of the bleeder on the next turn.

and yes, in the end game, id rather throw my vampire in front of a truck, rather than accept a big bleed..


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we can also put in "reduce the bleed by x+1, where x is the damage taken.." to make it worthwhile.

I don't really see why fortitude would need more defense. Pretty much every clan that has fortitude has good enough defenses from their other discplines/clan cards already. Lets take a look...

Akunanse: Intercept from Animalism
Blood Brothers: Bloat with Sanguinus
Daughters of Cacophony: Bloat from votes and Presence
Gangrel: Intercept from Animalism
Gargoyles: Intercept from clan cards and Visceratika, bleed reduction from Visceratika, usually played with tremere who have bounce from Dominate.
Harbingers: Intercept and bounce from Auspex
Ravnos: Intercept from Animalism and Chimerstry
Salubri: Intercept and bounce from Auspex, bloat from Obeah (namely renewed vigor + villeins)
!Salubri: Intercept and bounce from Auspex
Samedi: Bloat from clan cards (Little Mountain Cemetery and Off-Kilter)
Ventrue: Bloat from votes and Presence, bounce from Dominate.
!Ventrue: Bounce and intercept from Auspex, bounce from Dominate.

Did I forget anything? As you see, every clan with fortitude has defensive options, not everyone needs the exact same ones.

@Direwolf
Then based on pure consistency, statistics and efficiency... I return to my previous comment of expecting to see almost every deck of his to be something like:

Powerbleed
Malk 94 or Bleed
Weenie

Since those have, over the course of the game and with the generally accepted 'top of the curve status of Dominate' to be the most efficient decks. If efficiency is the primary goal, then those are basically the only decks really worth playing.


This is not my own playstyle, and while I understand "efficient play" and can think that way... I find it dull and boring.

Klaital wrote:

I don't really see why fortitude would need more defense. Pretty much every clan that has fortitude has good enough defenses from their other discplines/clan cards already. Lets take a look...

Akunanse: Intercept from Animalism
Blood Brothers: Bloat with Sanguinus
Daughters of Cacophony: Bloat from votes and Presence
Gangrel: Intercept from Animalism
Gargoyles: Intercept from clan cards and Visceratika, bleed reduction from Visceratika, usually played with tremere who have bounce from Dominate.
Harbingers: Intercept and bounce from Auspex
Ravnos: Intercept from Animalism and Chimerstry
Salubri: Intercept and bounce from Auspex, bloat from Obeah (namely renewed vigor + villeins)
!Salubri: Intercept and bounce from Auspex
Samedi: Bloat from clan cards (Little Mountain Cemetery and Off-Kilter)
Ventrue: Bloat from votes and Presence, bounce from Dominate.
!Ventrue: Bounce and intercept from Auspex, bounce from Dominate.

Did I forget anything? As you see, every clan with fortitude has defensive options, not everyone needs the exact same ones.

I think you forgot that the suggested card is a discipline card and not a clan card.
And with the logic you seem to suggest here no new cards should be made at all, I'd say that isn't the best way to look at things.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

@Direwolf
Then based on pure consistency, statistics and efficiency... I return to my previous comment of expecting to see almost every deck of his to be something like:

Powerbleed
Malk 94 or Bleed
Weenie

Since those have, over the course of the game and with the generally accepted 'top of the curve status of Dominate' to be the most efficient decks. If efficiency is the primary goal, then those are basically the only decks really worth playing.


This is not my own playstyle, and while I understand "efficient play" and can think that way... I find it dull and boring.

I think this discussion is about tournament "efficent play" and making other decks than AUS/dom survive fast bleed decks. Playstyle in tournaments should be about "efficent play". I don't even find those example decks very good ( Bleed is exception). Planned fortitude reaction is trying to make fast auto-mode all eggs in one basket style bleed deck weaker.

Card balance planning should be about tournament play b/c that metagame is known. There should be also cool casual cards which offers fun different strategies (like Shatter the Gate or Summon History). But I find cards like Steadfastness waste. Those cards doesn't offer anything new to casual or efficent to tournament play. There are just so much many cards to fill the deck with.

I agree that fortitude or obfuscate needs something to survive early game fast bleeds. I am just not so big fan of reduce as defense. It just stalls the game. Bouncing, blocking or damage makes the game go forward. I also think that Örebro gang has very much experience so they know how the "efficent play" works and how to make metagame more diverse.