Card Idea: Ambush Defence

Ankha wrote:

Any deck relying on stealth to pass their actions. That's a lot.

It's factually wrong (since to be killed by that card you need in addition to heavy rely on stealth)

Even then there is some additional question, like whether there is counter readily accessible, which lead us to ...

Ankha wrote:

Pentex, block fails, unblocable actions all get through.

You may pass to the next step of reasoning and propose to rewrite the card as +5 intercept with an auto-continue at +1 stealth as if unblocked clause.

That's why it's better to propose argument. It help to see the problem and propose solution

Ankha,
The point is that it isn't actually a block. It's a Yawp Court for bleeds more than a "auto-block". Plus, if you did have some light intercept (which isn't that rare... Winthrop, Sports Bike/Media Locations) you're also shooting your own chances if you don't bin the minion. It's moderately strong against S:CE combat IF your deck contains a number of Psyche!s, otherwise you might as well have had a "block fails" played on the reacting minion.

The actions will still get through if you have a way to survive the combat.

Ankha wrote:

I don't get your point. Either you rely on stealth, or you don't. You can't "heavily" rely on stealth.

The emphasis was on the wrong part. If you can deal with the gangrel coming at your throat - it's neither easy nor difficult, after all a flak jacket already do a lot of the job for you - then the card does not cause you trouble.

It may also not cause you trouble if you plan on having some part of your action being blocked. For example, if you play 5 perfect parangon and 5 resist the earth grasp as stealth, that something happen to block you will cause trouble, but not more than someone playing auspex + abbot.

Ankha wrote:

+5 intercept, or even more, since your card can block unblockable actions.
Compare it to Yawp court which works only once per turn, requires a untapped minion, and works only on unblocked political actions.

The amount was taken as "too much to usually pass throught, but be a block to allow all block denial shenanigans". For me, the main problem of the card is the fact it can intercept cross-table rescue attempt or pentex subversion removal - problem which is also solved by writing it as a block attempt.

Ohlmann wrote:

What ? Can you please use constructed arguments and cite real card and/or deck that would be especially impacted ?

just an exemple 5 min on feldb:


Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 14, Max: 20, Avg: 4,16)

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3 Scarlet Carson O`Toole pro CEL 4 Gangrel Antitribu
2 Skryta Zyleta obf pot pro CEL5 Gangrel Antitribu
2 Steve Booth CEL pot pre pro5 Brujah
2 Sarah Brando CEL 3 Brujah Antitribu
1 Jimmy Dunn CEL for POT 4 Pander
1 Parmenides CEL qui 4 Assamite
1 Victor Tolliver CEL pot 4 Brujah Antitribu

Library: (90 cards)

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Master (9 cards)
4 Vessel
2 Fame
1 Tension in the Ranks
1 Yawp Court
1 Carver`s Meat Packing and Storage

Action (14 cards)
14 Bum`s Rush

Reaction (14 cards)
4 On the Qui Vive
2 Wake with Evening`s Freshness
2 Delaying Tactics
6 Ambush Defense

Combat (44 cards)
8 Concealed Weapon
14 Psyche!
8 Pursuit
2 Blur
5 Taste of Vitae
4 Sideslip
3 Infernal Pursuit

Equipment (8 cards)
8 .44 Magnum

Event (1 cards)
1 Dragonbound

try to do something, or perhaps it's not enought a good "constructed argument" for you ^^