file Sabbat upgrade G 5/6 [Lasombra]

15 May 2012 09:33 #30419 by lovre

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15 May 2012 09:36 #30420 by lovre

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15 May 2012 21:04 #30529 by Lech
I wouldn't play G6 ever with such vampires.

About g5:

Natasha is solid.

Marika is bloody useless, who would play 6 cap bleeder who play 1 more for bleed actions, and don't even have good discipline set ? Unplayable.

Leon is nice, +1 strength and good conditional special coupled with :ani: and :for: shared by some vampires from the grouping make him decent additions. Not gamebreaking but usable.

Rafael would see some play, 10 capacity and playing less for :OBT: coupled with :AUS: that is shared with Bruce. Would be decent voter and bleeder (with enkil's cog ?).

:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

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16 May 2012 00:36 #30540 by Molloy
Natasha, Pepito, Shae, Basileus and Rafael are all fine but at first glance I don't see anything there that would make me want to use them in a deck.

I like Alejandra's special. I'd try her out in a Black Hand deck.

Marika's disability is too disabling. At the very least, give her :POT: instead of :pot: and a combat or toolbox discipline instead of :dem:.

Deanna and Leon have specials that are too conditional. Deanna will be, in many games, very overcosted at 9. Leon's bleed special will randomly be either nothing or highly disruptive -- change it to +1 instead of +2 if it's going to be there at all.

:hosk: :ani: :chi: :for: :nec: :AUS: :cap6: Sabbat. Animals, Wraiths and Zombies Molloy recruits or employs get an additional life.

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16 May 2012 11:13 #30564 by Reyda
OMG I have to play this one.
I play Mozambique allure, and multiple Aye.
Each time I play them on him, I Yell "AAAAAYE, PEPITO !! " :silly:



(sorry non french people... sorry... )
I want to add that It's a great vampire, because most :POT: fighters are really slowed down by ponticulus or Tye cooper. Way to go ! :D

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16 May 2012 15:19 - 16 May 2012 15:20 #30602 by jamesatzephyr
There's no real theme or cohesion to them as a group. Few of the mid-to-big caps really look like they'd go into a deck together, such as by:
  • having a common off-discipline or two (e.g. Group 6 is "Lasombra with Vicissitude, and occasional Valeren")
  • having a bunch of interworking traits
  • having a clutch of interesting titles
  • doing something that can't be done (easily) with another grouping (e.g. this is the group where the Lasombra get interesting blocking/walling abilities, or good at voting but lacking titles, or Lasombra antitribu pirates, or these Lasombra are itching to go anarch, or something like that)

For example, I think Basilius looks pretty solid as a vampire. But who would I want to use with him? Few other vampires with compatible disciplines and titles. Montecalme would be an interesting stable-mate, but for the fact that as a Lasombra you probably want other Lasombra, to benefit from the Power Structure you're playing with him.



Overall, in isolation, several of the vampires are good in the notional design points sense. But the supporting infrastructure to use them in actual decks looks lacking.
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