file Exploiting Secrets - NosAnti Mill Card

18 Jul 2012 23:05 #33444 by Juggernaut1981


Exploiting Secrets
Action Modifier
Nosferatu Anti
Only usable when a bleed would be successful.
This bleed does not burn pool and it is not a successful bleed. Instead, burn 2 cards for every pool which would have been burned by this bleed action.

Celebrity and secrets don't go together. The bastards will get you in the end. - George Michael

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19 Jul 2012 01:36 #33448 by brandonsantacruz
Ok, but what do !nos care about milling? How does it make you win?

Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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19 Jul 2012 03:37 #33449 by Juggernaut1981
Depleting your prey's resources. Cards are one of those resources.

Cards are a resource. You could, in theory, play this card and include damage from Spying Mission in the total.

In my own mind, I'm trying to bring back the "Knowing your Secrets" aspect of the Nosferatu. And, at least in my mind, the Cam-Nos would be more about 'knowing your business' and the Sabbat-Nos would be more about 'messing up your business'. Hence, spoiling the cards coming through your library. It's a thematic idea. I'd also be tempted to give the Nos-Antis a way to get into your ashheap and tinker around (without poaching NEC's turf by bringing things into play but possibly abusing the stuff that is there for their advantage).

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19 Jul 2012 04:49 #33450 by Ohlmann
Too many clan interact with ash heap and/or milling in different way already. I prefer to keep milling to thoses clans.

Don't forget that card milling is useful only if you play enough of it or play trochomancy. !Nos would need to much of a package to start be efficient in that, because while your opponent still have library card your effort amount to basically nothing. And you may have to destroy several player ...

In addition, I find card milling a boring and overused theme, especially for me that also play MtG.

(also, it cause trouble mainly to "weakish" strategy, while very efficient one either already don't need that many card and/or use Ashur tablet to be extra sure milling is very hard)

If you want a theme for !Nos, I suggest that instead of milling card, you put the card on the vampire and the bleeded meth' have one less hand size, limited to one per !Nos. Or a directed action that make everything costlier / less stealthy / while your !Nos cause him trouble.

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19 Jul 2012 13:19 - 19 Jul 2012 13:20 #33482 by Dorrinal

Too many clan interact with ash heap and/or milling in different way already. I prefer to keep milling to thoses clans.

Nosferatu antitribu is the original "milling" clan:
Courier
Dirty Little Secrets
Steam Tunnels

Feline Saboteur

OP: why would you play this over Dirty Little Secrets? Trade the bleed total just to mill twice the cards and it costs a blood to boot? Even assuming it is free, it's worse than Dirty Little Secrets.

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Last edit: 19 Jul 2012 13:20 by Dorrinal.

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19 Jul 2012 19:14 #33495 by Juggernaut1981
I'm not thinking you're going to use this on your "kill bleeds". If you're regularly playing things like Night Moves then I can see it being worth it to mill 2 to 4 cards a turn. It would whittle between 10 and 20 cards in a game (as an estimate).

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