Exploiting Secrets - NosAnti Mill Card

Okay so you're playing it on Vermin Channel or Night Moves. Can you explain why you think it would be better than actually burning a pool from your prey and gaining the edge? Not rhetorical, I sincerely don't get where you are coming from.

Dorrinal wrote:

Can you explain why you think it would be better than actually burning a pool from your prey and gaining the edge? Not rhetorical, I sincerely don't get where you are coming from.

I've been thinking the same question. If you can stealth a camera phone bleed for two through why wouldn't you just equip with camera phones and bleed for two with multiple minions?

I guess it might be fun to try these "mill" cards together with Brinksmanship, but I think it might be hard to pass the vote (or actually win).

Feline Saboteur + Exploiting Secrets + Dia De Los Muertos + Brinksmanship = Fun (especially if you could make the ES bleeds for three! But then if you can get through bleeds of three...?)

Edit: It might also be interesting as anit-bounce tech. "I bounce your bleed of three to my prey." The grandprey says, "Bleed responsibly Ding Dong!" The bleeder says, "just don't block and I will play Expoiting Secrets."

I think it may add possibilities.
There are other card ideas I'm working on with !Nos, such as burning X cards of a certain name to get X bleed for X blood.

i see this going good with the other card that burns cards for +bleed. i don't see this being nearly as good. maybe if it milled = to bleed amount instead of stopping pool damage.

thematically looking at the canon, nos and anitnos are virtually the exact same and stick together more than other cam/sabbat split clans. they chould have abilities letting you see cards in hand, peek at other peoples top X library cards, get + hand size, and make cards get discarded from hand.

milling would be better suited for harbingers or anarchs from a game standpoint and anarchs or baali from a canon standpoint.

this card fits with the other card, which i think is great, but i don't like it much.

I agree with Reverend about canon nosferatu

Dorrinal wrote:

Nosferatu antitribu is the original "milling" clan:
Courier
Dirty Little Secrets
Steam Tunnels

Feline Saboteur

So one true milling card that nobody ever used, one ally mainly used for bleed, and one discipline card that have nothing to do with !nosferatu. What is your point exactly ? That we should add milling while there already is ton of clan ? I don't buy it.

The point hold truye : there is already quite a bit of cemetery based clan, some are already pushed out of this focus because there is too many pretendant, so adding one more is stupid.

In this case, the base itself seem very flawed for me, being too weak in itself, in a relatively weak strategy since for most of the game milling do nothing. Maybe as an harbinger card, since they already have quite a bit of milling ?

In a pure strategy term, because of how milling work, you'd better have a permanent that allow gradual milling with very few ressources, than a bleed like effect. It will alway be much more efficient to just pack computer hacking or permanent bleed instead of this.

Ohlmann wrote:

What is your point exactly ? That we should add milling while there already is ton of clan ? I don't buy it.

You claimed that there are already clans with milling cards, and they don't have to include the Nosferatu antitribu. I was pointing out that Nosferatu antitribu already had milling cards - indeed, they were the first "milling" clan. Dirty Little Secrets was printed in The Sabbat.

I agree with the rest of your post. The proposed card is awful because it doesn't do anything. Dirty Little Secrets is much better (while still being awful).