Card Idea - No History

No History
Type: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Unique.

Only usable when another Methuselah move a card from any ash heap. Give this card to that Methuselah. Cards that would enter that methuselah's ash heap is instead removed from game. Any vampire may move this card to another Methuselah as a action.


Basically a counter to the ash heap diving decks with a a few mechanics so it is not too easy to play.

This is just another card in "Vtes: The Master Card"... Not a winner if you ask me. And it's fairly powerful. It shuts down Turbo Decks for starters instead of just shutting down stuff I assume its supposed to hit (e.g. Ashur Tablets Decks, Anthelios Decks)

Chaitan wrote:

No History
Type: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Unique.

Only usable when another Methuselah move a card from any ash heap. Give this card to that Methuselah. Cards that would enter that methuselah's ash heap is instead removed from game. Any vampire may move this card to another Methuselah as a action.

It feels a bit too specific, making it hard to give up a master card slot for it.

Were I to want to create a card a bit like this, I might:

a) make it something other than a master card
b) give it an alternative use.

For example (and I'm not saying this would be a good card):

On top of that, as Juggernaut suggests, the collateral damage to decks with moderate recycling is quite harsh.

modifiers and non-tapping reactions are the easiest cards to play and justify playing as meta-choice cards. trochomancy @ little is great against girls decks, but if that deck is your prey, you're still probably going to get a bleed of 2 bounced to your grand prey if aksinya is out.
i think just having cards with other effects "incidentally" attacking ash heaps or preventing recursion is a far better angle than having cards that actually only exist to be garbage metagame slots that get discarded if not at a recursion deck's table. even adding burn option to a card that only exists as a meta hoser leaves you with a card you have to draw to make matter when your deck doesn't "need" it by itself, and its barely useful in most games anyway. so, having cards that ARE other things with auxillary effects that hurt recursion would be way more practical.

Closet of Skeletons costs 1 blood
Requires a ready Anarch. Enter combat with a minion controlled by another methuselah, and apply the following effect before range is chosen.
pot: before range is determined, you may remove 4 cards from the controller of the opposing minions ash heap. if those cards are all of the same type (master, action, reaction, etc.) the opposing minion cannot dodge as a strike or end combat as a strike during the first round of combat.
pre: if this minion is still ready at the end of the first round of combat, you may remove 4 cards in the opposing minions ash heap from the game. if those cards are all of the same type, the opposing minion is now tapped, and will not untap normally during thier next untap phase.
pro: this action is at +1 stealth, and v you may remove 4 cards in the opposing minions controllers ash heap form the game to get +1 strength anytime during this action. if those cards are all of the same type, you may also prevent one non aggravated damage during the first round of combat this action.

you get the idea. "taxing recursion" could be done as easily as burning discarded cards, or a card that taxes a vampires printed abilities (be it a built in bounce, extra masters, an inherent bleed action or a rush) by an extra pool or blood while also being something else (a shadow twin or horseshoes type of effect)
i just don't see it being practical to run a master slot for a meta choice, so i don't see why a card like that would need to exist.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Closet of Skeletons costs 1 blood
Requires a ready Anarch. Enter combat with a minion controlled by another methuselah, and apply the following effect before range is chosen.
pot: before range is determined, you may remove 4 cards from the controller of the opposing minions ash heap. if those cards are all of the same type (master, action, reaction, etc.) the opposing minion cannot dodge as a strike or end combat as a strike during the first round of combat.
pre: if this minion is still ready at the end of the first round of combat, you may remove 4 cards in the opposing minions ash heap from the game. if those cards are all of the same type, the opposing minion is now tapped, and will not untap normally during thier next untap phase.
pro: this action is at +1 stealth, and v you may remove 4 cards in the opposing minions controllers ash heap form the game to get +1 strength anytime during this action. if those cards are all of the same type, you may also prevent one non aggravated damage during the first round of combat this action.

Requiring a microscope to read the card text would make it very hard to use.

The "same type" mechanic is a bit awkard with combo cards, but meh.

I think this carries much of the same flavour, though.

This could be much simpler:

Know Your Enemy
Combat
Play before range is chosen on the first round of combat. Requires an Anarch with [for],

, or [pro].

Remove 4 cards in opposing minion's ash heap from the game.

If this vampire has [for] and you removed a card that prevents damage, opposing vampire may not prevent damage this round.

If this vampire has  
 and you removed a card that ends combat, opposing vampire may not strike to end combat this round.

If this vampire has [pro] and you removed a card that allows a minion to inflict aggravated damage,  this vampire treats aggravated damage as normal this round.